fred200

Time to stick in another opinion. Two voiced followers is all I can handle. If the choice is between fleshing out another sex slave or adding more depth to Jenn and Sasha, I will pick Jenn and Sasha every time. Another advantage to those two is that you have the actresses!

Fish, you are vastly underestimating how many slaves your users train. I have 3 in Jarls alone. Too bad Skyrim does not support a vending machine. Could be a good source of income for Volkar, Related bug report:  Giving the slave one food decrements my food count by two, unless there was only one of that item. Always been that way. Not a problem - I start off with 100.

Some of us did both... Too late for that now, as of Beta 17. She will be back in a later update.

My own vote, low priority and well behind the new content you have planned, would be for either of your two real live voice actresses to replace the Alicia voice on followers. Alicia is simply too high pitched and little girl sounding for most NPCs - like Elisif.   I am really looking forward to the new content...

The only connection that this mod has with Alicia that I am aware of is that it uses some of her voice files, and Mia is nominally her mother.   Alicia mod is not needed and i don't use it. I would not recommend it if asked. A lot of folks seem to love it.

I suggest anyone that is asking for help with a problem start off by listing what version of this mod you are running. As a general rule, try the most recent version first. I do sort of wish Fish would remove the 3.5 download. Fish: you said the Sasha voice updates are in 16C. Did you mean 16 B? There is no C in downloads...

Based on what Fish subsequently said, I cleaned up Tabitha. A little wine, roses, dinner, light body scrub, reconstructive surgery... Removed SexSlSlave and potential follower faction. Removed home designation. Now she is back to essentially no dialogue. And not very interesting. She will linger in the Palace (no home) until banished in a subsequent version.

If Fish banishes this instance of Tabitha, my copy of her will be thoroughly gone.  Like starting fresh. Kind of assuming she gets a new refid. I must have missed Stella - does not even ring a bell. Actually, I need a list of sex slaves with voiced parts. After Jenn and Sasha, I am not much interested in any unvoiced ones. Same reason I use Cerwiden - voice adds - everything.

I went to a lot of trouble to "convert" Tabitha before taking her to the wagon - her following me back to the Palace after was just the effect I wanted.   Now I am afraid you are going to banish her...  She is very decorative in the Palace. If you must, you must...   Now one I did banish (disable) was the dead body in the castle lobby. It does nothing for the atmosphere.  

Beta 14 PC nude, nothing equipped. "Master I have returned"   OK - something definitely wrong here...   Whipping scene and all subsequent animations played perfectly. Entire scene completed - perfectly.   I have to see what you did to this package - whatever change you made fixed my problem. Now to figure out why.   I really was not expecting changing from a paddle to the crop would fix anything....   I think this will take care of everyone with a problem like mine, and is highly recommended to try. You need someone to test it in the normal Dark Possession scenes.    

Take my input as simple observations - not a critique. I try to log everything I notice. Time permitting, maybe you could dedicate one of the sex slaves to the Alicia voice. She is pretty unique, and does not sound right on most NPCs. Hate to see you dump her though.   My PC getting whipped review is next up. It was just easier doing them in two parts. And I can not try any of the Dark Possesion scenes - but the "Master I have returned" should be representative of all of them. That one is really easy, because it is always a dialog option. I should note that Volkar totally ignores the fact that my contract is torn up, I got my reward,  and he has no rights to me. His continuing to summon me is why I put a spike through that Quest. Proven by Tabitha in permanent residence in the Palace. Oh - and please get Sanguine to go home from Bryling's place.    

Beta 14 FastRed, picked up in Ivarstead using Puppet All dialogue lines were voiced. Nothing missing. Did not notice and difference in dialogue during training except in ecstasy. "Please have mercy, I beg you" missing lip synch. "Ride me" option gets slave ridden. Always been that way. FastRed stayed dressed during whipping and idle. Nude during other animations. This is related to not managing NPC clothing. If I had used the "You could dress better" option from UFO, she would have been nude for everything. Hard to describe - the new voice files during ecstasy sound great, but it sounds like words were overlaid on an existing "moan" track. One female could not make all those sounds at one time... OK as is - you have to really listen to notice. At completion of training, FastRed is a normal follower - as well as a Puppet. I released her from puppet, and she stayed a follower. All well and good. I took her back to Ivarstead and dismissed her. She lost the option to follow, which is good. She just kept the additional slave dialogue, which is also good. She then left to follow her normal Ivarstead routine, all of which is very good. Note: Beta 13, with the mismatched ESP, had some real anomalies. FastRed wound up equipped with an armbinder, chastity belt, bra and cuffs when she was dismissed. Note to all - don't run with a mismatched ESP. Other than the ecstasy voices, I really did not notice any other voice changes. I tried to hear differences in the oral sex scenes. Only one bit of voice had a British accent. It would be best - if possible -to have all voices during training done by the same (very talented) actress. Your actresses do a great job. Quibble: Volkar at bonding says you can talk to them, leave them, or make them a follower.  You have no choice - you have to talk to them, and then you only have two options, follower or not. This would be hard to change if your Volkar actor is not available. And if there is any way to assign your new slave to live in the Pleasure Palace, I don't know what it is. Other notes: Castle was infested with three bandits, first time ever. Somehow I wound up with a key to the Pleasure Palace. I swear I did not have that last time I tried the door...  

No problem Fish - I sort of enjoyed grabbing Fastred. Now I can contrast the Beta 13 experience with Beta 14, and just post one summary. I was all set to complement your voice actresses on the enthusiastic Ecstasy performance, and mention some of the voices still sounded like Alicia...

Beta 13 Package SexSlFemalePcTortureWhipPlayer2 PC nude, no weapons equipped Master I have returned... Velkor starts out with crop equipped PC walks to torture room and is suspended on chains Velkor comes in, nothing euipped. SoS nude. Dialogue proceeds to point of waiting for whipping to complete (twiddle thumbs for a bit) Velkor inventory shows one each of 4 training instruments Giving Velkor a gold coin causes him to equip crop and SoS brown undies - no animation Hitting Velkor with one disable / enable sequence completes the waiting for whipping, and all sexlab animations proceed correctly. Scene ends.   Observations: SexSlFemalePcTortureWhipPlayer2 still sets "Weapon Type" to "MiaPaddle". The begin script akActor.equipItem(MiaPunishmentCane) does not work. Nothing was equipped until I gave him a coin. If you have any suggestions for how to stick debug traces in package procedures, I am well set up to try - anything. I would like to nail this.   Suggestion: It would be fully acceptable if you could come up with a way for the whipping to time out, with maybe an onscreen message to that effect. Anything to let the scene proceed.    Now to go nab a new customer, to check out the training changes...    

I won't be able to try beta 13 tonight, but I did just want to comment. The Jenn and Sasha voices are superb. They work well with just about any NPC.  Whenever the Alicia voice is used on a random NPC, it winds up jarring. Maybe just restrict it to a specific "Alicia" like sex slave. And get your voice actresses to give us more lines! Chatting between Jenn and Sasha would be great.   Edited to add: My intention on starting this mod was to make sex slaves out of my normal followers. What I did not anticipate was that Jenn and Sasha replaced all my normal followers... Well with the exception of enslaved Cerwiden - she does a good job keeping us all healed, and I like her chatter too. These three are my normal group, for about everything. 

The brown undies also pop up everytime you give him a coin. He seems to reevaluate his packages and equip (not wield) a weapon.

Beta 12 I tried switching my PC to Nord - no improvement. The scene I have ready access to is "Master I have returned".  The rest of SexSlFemEnslave is shut down with setstage 400 and stopquest. Got tired of being summoned... This scene uses SexSlFemalePCTortureWhipPlayer2. I changed the weapon to Crop in the package. There are references to 3 cat-o-9 tails, and I was not sure which would be right - so I used crop. Velkor starts out with crop at waist. After moving to torture room and first dialogue, he switches to paddle at waist. Giving him a gold coin causes him to switch to crop at waist. No weapon is ever actually held by him. No animation. One Disable/Enable on him completes the whipping action without animation and the rest of the scene plays correctly. Mostly I will wait for your Beta 13, but I wanted to pass on my observations so far.   Note: the other package I looked at was using the UseWeapon template - but this package actually uses template SexSlSpankTarget. That changes my expectations a bit.   And an Aha: you stuck an add and equip paddle in the "On Begin" in the package - explains where that paddle was coming from. And I am a wimp. I changed your debug statements in the packages to: debug.trace("TortureWhipPlayer2 - Lashing 3 Started"), just so I could verify what package I was in.

For what it is worth, I am running an Intel Core 2 6600 (two core). Six GB memory, 256 GB SSD boot drive. At the moment, I am leaning toward the idea that the attack can not reach me because I am a Breton (short). I do not have any script-heavy mods in my load order. I put Luxury Suite back in just because I wanted to enslave Apache. Alicia Painslut is forever banned for script and save file reasons. I have well over 1500 hours in Skyrim, and have never had a UseWeapon action freeze before. I am looking forward to playing with it - I enjoy working with mods more than using them... Mod tools are a mixed bag for Bethesda - I will never buy another game that can not be modded - but then with good tools and an active modding community - I have no reason to buy a new game anyway. I alternate with FNV (TTW), and am really impressed with what that crew has done with nvse and sexoutng.

Fish, for the small subset of your users that get hung up on the PC being whipped, one of the packages in question is SexSLFemalePcTortureWhipPlayer. This uses template "UseWeapon". Once you get a stable version, I would like to explore this a bit more. I am as impressed by your use of packages as any other part of your mod, and it is an area I pretty much know nothing about. No better way to learn than mucking about in someone else's mod... First thing I will do is remove the "UseWeapon" template to give more control over the procedures, and try to find where it is failing. That "procedure wait" is especially interesting - it should have broken the package loose if the "UseWeapon" failed. It is significant that the failure is not after a barrage - the first attack never starts. Your "Lashing 3 started" shows that we are at least in the package. Nothing I said here implies any criticism of your mod, or says anything is wrong with it. But this is a problem affecting more than just me, and your mod is too good to let something simple block progression. Mostly, I just want to learn how to use packages effectively...

Always same problem - the Whip PC action is not progressing. Guaranteed fix - edit the enslaved quest and remove all the whip pc actions. Kind of drastic, and Fish would not approve - but it works. Other less drastic things to fix a stuck action: In the console, target Volkar and additem f 1. That gives him a gold coin. One step up is to target Volkar then "disable" followed by "enable". These might work - but my choice was to edit the quest in the CK.

The worst thing about Devious Devices in my point of view is that they have two parts; a named part that you see, and an unnamed part that is invisible. That is just asking to get out of synch - and often does. Remove all the devices that you can, then in the console, check your worn inventory and remove any worn item without a name. Bear in mind - "hide under" is also worn and has no name. Don't remove that one... My biggest problem with devices is adding and removing extra ones from a chest. That often auto-equips them on me.

Conflicting mods: One final note about Elisif - she is a very popular target for sex mods. These include Sex Slaves, Amorous Adventures, and Captured Dreams. While these all work well together, and don't damage any Quests or dialogues, they do work somewhat at cross-purposes. Sex slaves and Amorous adventures both make her available for sex. Captured dreams leaves her in an unremovable chastity belt.

I would like to take issue with those folks saying don't enslave important NPCs. I have enslaved important NPCs like Elisif, Serana, Cerwiden, and Mavis with no issues at all. The Sex Slave faction just adds dialogue options that normally don't affect quests or jobs. Serana was a slave from the time of discovery through completion of the Vampire line, including her conversion to human. No problems. Cerwiden, know to be problematic with mods that affect scripts, also is no problem at all. (well, I do have her last in my load order) If there is a problem with the slave following you after dismissal, any mod that lets you assign a home fixes it. I did set Mavis' home to her home in riften, and she still hangs out in the Bee and Barb. Same for Vex in the Thieves Guild. No effect on Quests. Easiest way to grab a temporary follower for enslaving is Puppet Master. That works on everyone. Some fools like Frea and Mjoll volunteer to follow you after the right quest lines. My best advice is make a save and try the NPC of interest. If you have problems, reload that save. Nothing to lose.   Edited to add: I have used a number of "slave" mods. A slave faction is by far the best, least disruptive technique I have seen. I love that it can be reversed simply by removing that faction. The worst slave mod disabled the unique NPC and moved in a clone. That one was definitely disruptive.

With Beta 10, the external door to Sanguine's Pleasure Palace is locked from the outside and says it needs a key. It is not locked on the inside, so leaving is not a problem. Is this a bug or a new feature? Is there a key to find?   New hair looks great, and only Allison has a gray face.   Only repeating chatter I saw on earlier betas was from Sasha, about exploring inside of her. That was popping up about every ten seconds for awhile. Not seen on last two Betas. All behavior looks good. Still avoiding all PC being whipped scenes, which hang for me.

Just a note: I think Jenn and Sasha look good in Lear "B" armor. In combat they remove the armor and boots, but fight in gloves, gauntlets, and tiara. Kind of fetching. Animations are all full nude. If I ever run a real combat patrol - I want a team like this.