Gilbertson

So, for the last week or so I've been slowly debugging my skyrim, of one bug in particular.   When I die, I crash, I've managed to reduce the occurrence slightly, as it used to be 100% I thought I did this by removing a few script heavy mods, but that having been said, according to papyrus and my performance monitor, Its still happening despite my efforts.   I'll post the crashing Papyrus Log, the screen of the sessions overall performance up until the crash occurred, as well as my load order.   Any and all insights would be appreciated.   # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp ApachiiHair.esm EFFCore.esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp Tribal Tattoo Overlays.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp 3DNPC.esp 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp AHZmoreHUD.esp Glass Variants.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp DaedricShieldHiResFix.esp ORM-Arvak.esp Dragon Combat Overhaul.esp ImportantInformationOverhaul.esp SimpleMagicOverhaul.esp Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp JKs Towns.esp SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Complete.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp fallentreebridges.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp Birdsofskyrim.esp Artifact Disenchanting.esp Civil War Overhaul.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp sjel blad castle.esp JKs Solitude.esp AccessibleMerchantStorage.esp Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp Immersive Weapons.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp WATER DG + DB.esp WATER DB.esp SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp TheChoiceIsYours.esp JKs Whiterun.esp JKs Riften.esp Inigo.esp Cloaks.esp WindstadMine.esp JKs Markarth.esp aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp SkyUI.esp _pocketempirebuilder.esp EFFDialogue.esp SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp SMIM-Merged-All.esp SFO - Dragonborn.esp RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp mintylightningmod.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp WATER.esp Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp Unique Uniques.esp WetandCold.esp WetandCold - Ashes.esp 1nivWICCloaks.esp Extended UI.esp JaxonzEnhGrab.esp Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp Killable Children.esp Scarcity - 10x Loot Rarity.esp Scarcity - 10x Merchant Item Rarity.esp CWINPCImprovements.esp TimingIsEverything.esp Better Vampires.esp Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp wizDynamicThings.esp Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp FormsEdit.esp Elemental_Dragons.esp Dark NightsB.esp TrueStorms.esp Supreme Fog.esp Real Flying.esp WondersofWeather.esp ImmersiveSpells.esp FireAndIceOverhaul.esp UIExtensions.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp Brevi_MoonlightTalesEssentials.esp Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp WATER DG.esp DragonBlood.esp RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp RND_USKP-Patch.esp Fantasy Soundtrack Project - Combat.esp KS Jewelry.esp SkyTweak.esp JaxonzRenamer.esp Beards.esp Dread Knight Weapon Set.esp Fantasy Soundtrack Project.esp vinis_transmute.esp Immersive Patrols II.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp MiraakFollower.esp Chesko_Frostfall.esp RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp The Pit.esp WATER Plants.esp Hunterborn.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp Sneak Tools.esp PerkusMaximus_Master.esp PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp Unique Grasses.esp CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp WeatherMaster.esp RND_AnimalLoot.esp Argonian Access.esp SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp Imaginator BETA.esp LustmordVampireArmor.esp Real Clouds.esp 3DNPCEFF.esp ColdharbourDaedra.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp iHUD.esp Reanimate FX.esp RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp SOSRaceMenu.esp   Load Order.   I'd like to think it still has something to do with Papyrus, but I cannot be sure what so ever, as toggling certain mods on and or off, such as XP32 skeleton, makes it go away for a short time, but eventually it does reoccur. Previously when it was nearly constant I had several Sexlab mods such as Defeat going. Upon removing them, it seems more stable, but not perfect.     Papyrus.0.log

In terms of my save, its "Clean" according to the save cleaner, no orphan scripts detected, no script instances, squeaky. So as to why my papyrus is raging so hard, I don't know. Also this save is fairly new, like, yesterday new.

Aye, kinda saw that after I posted it, had just shuffled a few things, that said, it happens even when the load order is fixed up.

I definitely ran LOOT and Wyrebash to death, as for TES5edit, mixed results, it can tell me if there's a startup crash and what it is, but because the nature of the error is only upon dying, I've not the knowledge of how to track it.   If there was a way to do so that I'm simply unaware, or more so if I could figure out which mods hog the most memory, something like a diagnostic for the game.   Either way, I'll look into it.    Indeed, after looking into it, it seems that Sexlab Defeat, HATES not having enough memory in terms of scripting.   My problem is, I am unsure what mods other than Frostfall and RND are particularly scripted, and in that, what I can swap out for great effect, to give it room.   I've swapped out RND for iNeed, as well as several other papyrus tweaks, emboost, that acceleration layer thing, but so far it isn't enough to keep the scripting down and happy for Defeat...   Any insight on how to free up scripting space would be greatly appreciated!   I give up! Trying Sexlab Leveling!    The scripting requirements are TOO DAMN HIGH!

I recently posted a MASSIVE load list/bug help me threat over in another section of the site. I have found the problem...   Unfortunately it seems to be Sexlab Defeat, more specifically is upon the event of dying, when the game tries to load to the last save, be it via the autoload or myself going to the menu and doing so, it crashes.   As work around I attempted an alternative death style mod that incaps you, and teleports you to a respective shrine that you last touched, but seemingly this did not work in full.   Past the point of dying, or sudo-death due to the mod, which is "Dragon souls - Death is highly overated." for what it matters, it still crashes when loading back a save, so it was really delaying the inevitable.   The issue only seems to resolve, after nearly three days of trying everything under the sun includeing a full reinstall and switching over to Mod Organizer, by removing Sexlab Defeat.   You mention that mods that involve altering the events near death or at least one shot event style mods, may cause problems. I don't think I have any of these, but I'm not sure.   Any and all insight into this issue would be deeply appreciated.   -Gilbertson.   P.S. Here is my mod list at the time of speaking.   # This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer. -ZazAnimationPack Main v0605 -Wonders of Weather -Windstad Mine -WIC Cloaks NMM -Wet and Cold - Ashes -Wet and Cold -Weather Master -Unofficial Skyrim Patch -Unofficial Hearthfire Patch -Unofficial Dragonborn Patch -Unofficial Dawnguard Patch -Unique Uniques -Unique Grasses and Groundcovers - Nature and Landscape Enhancement -Unique Booze Bottles -Ultimate Combat -True Storms - Thunder and Rain Redone -Tribal Tattoos -Tougher Traps -Timing is Everything -The Skyrim Distance Overhaul Beta (S.D.O.) -The Ruffled Feather -The Paarthurnax Dilemma -The Choice is Yours -The Bottomless Pit -Supreme and Volumetric Fog -Super Wind overhaul -Static Mesh Improvement Mod -Soul Gem Exchange -SOS Horse Penis -SOS -Sneak Tools -SMIM Meshes -SkyUI -Skyrim Immersive Creatures -Skyrim Flora Overhaul 2.1 -141- -Skyrim -Community- Uncapper -SkyFalls + SkyMills -Skeleton XP32 Maximum Skeleton Extended -ShowRaceMenu PreCacheKiller -SexLabSexBounty -SexLabFramework -SexLabAroused V16b -SexLab Romance V1-0-6 -SexLab - Defeat -Scarcity -Reanimate FX v5 Update 3 Fixed -Realistic Needs and Diseases -Real Flying -Real Clouds Version -RaceMenu v3-2 -PSB-BODYSLIDE-MESHES -PSB 2 -Predator Vision v -PocketEmpireBuilder -Perkus Maximus - Maximum Perk Overhaul -No Spinning Death Animation -No Snow Under The Roof -Natural Eyes -MoreHUD! -More Dramatic Alduin -Moonlight Tales Version -Miraak - Dragonborn Follower -MintyLightningModV23 -Lush Trees and Grass -Locational Damage -Killable Children - BOSS Compatible -JK's Skyrim all in one -JContainers -Jaxonz Positioner -Interesting NPCs -INIGO 2.0 -Immersive Weapons -Immersive Spells v1 0 ALL DLC -Immersive HUD - iHUD -Immersive College of Winterhold -Immersive Armors -IMAGINATOR - Visual Control Device -Hunterborn -High Resolution Scars -HDT Physics Extensions -Guard Dialogue Overhaul -Frostfall 2 6 Release -Freckle Mania Standard Quality -Footprints v1 00 - Legendary -FNIS Behavior V5 5 -- ALWAYS necessary -Fill Her Up -EzE's Artifact Disenchanting -Extensible Follower Framework -Extended UI -Epic Gameplay Overhaul - Version 3.05 -Enhanced Lights and FX -Enhanced Camera -Elemental Dragons -Dynamic Things -Dragon Carved Armor Set -Dragon Blood -Death is Highly Overrated - Dragon Souls -Dawnguard Rewritten - Arvak -DarkerInteriors -Darker Nights -Daedric Shield HiRes Fix -D13 Faster Get up Stand up animation -Cloaks of Skyrim 1-2 Dawnguard -Cloaks of Skyrim 1-2 -CCFM - HoleyGrail -Categorized Favorites Menu -Calientes Beautiful Bodies Edition -CBBE- -BodySlide 2 and Outfit Studio -Birds of Skyrim -Better Vampires 6.6 -Better MessageBox Controls -Auriels Quiver Replacer -ApachiiSkyHair v 1 6 Full -aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Weapons -aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Unique Items -aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Dragonborn DLC -aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Creatures -aMidianBorn Book of Silence - Armors +Alternate Start - Live Another Life -Acquisitive Soul Gems - Dawnguard -Accessible Merchant Storage v1 4 All Merged -101 Bugs! *Unmanaged: Bashed Patch, 0 *Unmanaged: Dawnguard *Unmanaged: Dragonborn *Unmanaged: HearthFires *Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01 *Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02 *Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03   Sorry for the balloon of a post   No spinning death animation is my new primary suspect, upon disabling this mod, and enabling sexlab Defeat again, problems have not reoccurred.   Further testing is needed. (After testing this is not the cause, at least not the ONLY cause, the issue cropped back up, something else is annoying Defeat.)  

After extensive testing, i've come to the conclusion, that Sexlab Defeat keeps crashing my game, simply on the basis that its a heavily scripted mod, and I had several heavily scripted mods already, starving it of what it needs and thus crashing my game.   I guess the best course of action, apart from re-writing the engine itself, is to find mods similar to that which I have, that are more efficient in terms of scripting, and or perhaps find mods that do what multiple mods do, reducing workload.   I'll be doing my own work on this of course, but any and all suggestions would be appreciated.   my great stonking load order:   Skyrim.esm Update.esm Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp Dawnguard.esm Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp HearthFires.esm Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp Dragonborn.esm Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp ApachiiHair.esm SexLab.esm SexLabAroused.esm Schlongs of Skyrim - Core.esm ZaZAnimationPack.esm HighResTexturePack01.esp HighResTexturePack02.esp HighResTexturePack03.esp Extended UI.esp Locational Damage.esp dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp Footprints.esp Elemental_Dragons.esp RaceMenuPluginXPMSE.esp CombatDramaOverhaul.esp Glass Variants.esp randomthunder.esp SMIM-DungeonsCliffsIceSkirts.esp Scarcity - Less Loot Mod.esp AHZmoreHUD.esp SOS - ERF Horse Penis Addon.esp EnhancedLightsandFX.esp ELFX - Exteriors.esp FreckleMania.esp 83Willows_101BUGS_V4_LowRes.esp SplashofRain.esp SOS - Smurf Average Addon.esp Scarcity - 10x Merchant Item Rarity.esp DaedricShieldHiResFix.esp Reanimate FX.esp Hothtrooper44_Armor_Ecksstra.esp mintylightningmod.esp sr_FillHerUp.esp RaceMenuPlugin.esp iHUD.esp ORM-Arvak.esp CollegeOfWinterholdImmersive.esp JKs Skyrim.esp 3DNPC.esp RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp Better Dynamic Snow.esp RaceMenu.esp RaceMenuMorphsCBBE.esp Scarcity - 10x Loot Rarity.esp Real Flying.esp Dark NightsB.esp ImportantInformationOverhaul.esp SMIM-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp SDO Full-LOD - The Morthal Swamp Complete.esp SexLabDefeat.esp SexLabSexBounty.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp ELFXEnhancer.esp DarkerInteriors.esp Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp Birdsofskyrim.esp Civil War Overhaul.esp Artifact Disenchanting.esp FormsEdit.esp JaxonzEnhGrab.esp Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp AccessibleMerchantStorage.esp Better Vampires ML.esp Predator Vision.esp Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp CWINPCApachiiSkyHair.esp SexLab Romance.esp soulgemexchange.esp Hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp SFO - Dragonborn.esp SkyUI.esp SMIM-DragonbornTernFix.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Regular Addon.esp SOS - ERF Equipable Horse Penis.esp Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp SOS - VectorPlexus Muscular Addon.esp TimingIsEverything.esp Tribal Tattoo Overlays.esp WATER DG + DB.esp WATER-RND Legendary Patch.esp WATER.esp RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp Tougher Traps.esp SDO Full-LOD - Waterfall Effects.esp FireAndIceOverhaul.esp Windfull Skyrim.esp TheChoiceIsYours.esp Inigo.esp PerkusMaximus_Master.esp PerkusMaximus_Thief.esp PerMa Expansion 1 - Wintermyst.esp Artifact Disenchanting - Dragonborn.esp SimpleMagicOverhaul.esp PerkusMaximus_Mage.esp CWIELnFXPatch.esp PerkusMaximus_Warrior.esp UltimateCombat.esp AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp Immersive Weapons.esp aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp Schlongs of Skyrim.esp DragonBlood.esp Unique Uniques.esp Cloaks.esp 1nivWICCloaks.esp Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp WindstadMine.esp SMIM-FarmhouseFlickeringFix.esp 1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp WetandCold.esp WetandCold - Ashes.esp wizDynamicThings.esp _pocketempirebuilder.esp Killable Children - Quest Important Protected.esp MiraakFollower.esp SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp SDO Full-LOD - Whiterun Trundra Creeks.esp Killable Children.esp SMIM-ShackRoofFixes.esp Skyrim Flora Overhaul.esp Chesko_Frostfall.esp RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp Artifact Disenchanting - Dawnguard.esp Sneak Tools.esp Sneak Tools Vanilla Hoods.esp Sneak Tools Vanilla Masks.esp Unique Grasses.esp SMIM-ShackRoofFixesDragonborn.esp The Pit.esp CWIDawnDragonPatch.esp WATER Plants.esp Hunterborn.esp The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp Argonian Access.esp Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp SDO Full-LOD - Giant Campfires.esp Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp Imaginator BETA.esp Real Clouds.esp WeatherMaster.esp Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp Bashed Patch, 0.esp cursed.esp   I've decided just to sub Defeat with Sexlab Leveling, it the basic features of Defeat without the massive script hunger.