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beth/valve knew exactly what they were doin. what they were hopin for is ppl to accept it. thats why there wasnt a warning, bam its done so there you are, paid mods.

well the smoke aint cleared yet...theyre probly just backin up to lick their wounds.

well maybe after all this blows over[hopeflly] LL will adda "donation button" for you guys. or some means of support other than a pat on the back. and i aint sayin that to sound crude in any way.

i use the "cbbe female texture replacer v5" not sure why i cant find it on nexus, but thats where i got it from if you wanna search the web and see if it still exsists. sorry if that didnt help

haha, well i know it wont help since this is for skyrim...duuuuh

anda big hugs back, togetherness shall prevail.

 

 

I don't even want get personal with my own situation pathetic as it is , people will laugh at my own setup and go " really ?" .

Just stating not all mod makers are so well off or were born in Western First World  Countries , Because attacking Mod Makers is really not a solution at this point .

People are not asking the right questions all are going for hatred thats my issue with the scenario

 

Zaz... this is precisely why you should be dead-set against this. I'm in pretty much the same situation, i'm on disabillity and have barely a penny to my name, and i'm running Skyrim on an old hunk of junk that can just barely run the game. And please know that i'm saying the following without agression or malice.

 

 

 

Let me tell you where this is going if it actually succeeds, as it is the only direction that this really can go:

 

 

If companies start to see this as a viable revenue stream, one that is entirely favourable to them (they do none of the work, but take most of the money), they are going to protect it, they are going to force it, and they are going to charge for it. 

 

 

It may not happen today or tomorrow, it may not even happen just yet with FO4 as companies do these pushes slowly, playing the long game. But dollars to donuts, we'll be looking at a future where modders have to pay $120 dollars or more for the game's SDK (because it's an investment now! You can make money with it, so you'd best pay us, suckers!) ontop of having to buy the game and all the official DLC. Mods will be encrypted and cannot be personalized (if it's making them money, they will protect it), they can only be distributed on the company store (the EULA will make sure of that, can't have people browsing something other than the revenue stream, now can we), and modders will be almost forced to charge for their mods to recoup their losses, so you'd best be ready to pony up the dough if you want to mod your games (and eventually we may be outright forced to change, it woulden't be hard for them to say "if you're making stuff with our assets and we're not getting a cut, then that's theft!").

 

 

To support this just to make a little bit of pocket change today is shortsighted beyond the pale, and is completely ignoring all the benifits that we all currently enjoy from modding beeing free (and especially the gamer on a tight budget). This will end up costing you so much more than it could ever earn you in the long run, i can just about garuentee it.. and yes, that includes the abillity to make and play the kind of mods you actually want to make (the pervy kind! There's no way that's going to fly on the company store).

 

 

Look, i get the temptation, the only thing i got out of the last DDx release was 3 likes on my release post, and then more than a solid months worth of having to do free tech-support for users who refused to read anything before posting. Yeah, this can be a really thankless gig at times, it really can.

But you need to look at the bigger picture here, at all that free modding has given us, and give it a good long hard think before you sell that down the river for a bit of Valve's castoff pocket change.

 

 

 

You want make some dosh making game content? I say look twords the indie game scene, that's where you can do that. It's not gonna be mods, you will only ever make pocket change from premium mods (and support terrible buisness practices in the process). If you want to go pro, then you need to actually go pro.

 

 

I was really not for the paid mods either I don't Fully agree with the current system , What I was against was the hate spewed against Mod Makers cause there was no other option for people to lash out against Valve/Beth but took it out on the Mod Makers . Without understanding the situation of said mod makers . Where even the pocket change counts perhaps......

The Right Questions are not being asked here

 

People Keep talking about donations and adding a donation button, how many people actually do support the said mod author again it depends on the situation of the said Mod Users which I can agree upon.

So I will copy paste what I discussed with fellow mod makers else where

 

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The thought of straying away for a second and receiving so much hate and considered a villain  is something that kinda bugged me is all .

 

 

Obviously None of ZAP Assets  Will ever be allowed to be charged for or hosted on Steam  that was the first thing I changed in my own mod description since this whole Fiasco Began

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/17062-zaz-animation-pack-2015-02-10/

 

I don't have an issue with Paid Mods entirely, as long as there are Sites like Nexus/LL etc that can serve Free Mods .

I simply will make sure that our own mod doesn't doesn't use paid assets........ this is me giving back to LoversLab not Steam not Beth... for what I learned here and the time I was/will be here  

 

yay for you zaz...btw do you accept anything other than papal for donations. my account got screwed yrs ago and sadly i dont have it anymore. [just figerd id take the opportunity to ask]

well theyve already tainted the water by chargin for mods to begin with. if the ship sinks and modding communities still stand, are things gonna go back to normal, or has the damage been done?

Refund a mod and get suspended for 7 days.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/611704730326648879/#p1

if theyre going that far with it, i can see them makin it so free mods wont be allowed to be added in future game content.

why wouldnt they have planned it? a mult million dollar company aint just gonna jump into sumpm with both feet without a backup plan...well some dont.

same here...for now...

 

 

I see a major flaw in your thought process. You are obviously assuming that the old version will be available for download indefinitelly.

Schlangster can take the old version down any second after releasing 5.0.

I'm sure somone will make a backup of 4.1 and reupload it somewhere, but Schlangster will then file DMCA complaint. One after another.

He will keep doing so until all old version are gone from legal websites making torrents the only source of 4.1 and making distribution of 4.1 illegal.

Very sad.

 

The internet is a very large place, and pirates tend to not care about legal complaints.

 

 

 

piracy the last hope for free mods

 

heres hoping your ISP dont get a phone call cryin that youve downloaded sumpm illegally and they terminate your internet and sue you for an ungodly amount of money.

 

You know what? I'm going to be sincere with myself about Skyrim, something I haven't done at all until now because I was too much of a fanboy to see. If this was an awesome title and the option for paid mods with an actually good deal had been there from the beginning, it wouldn't be so bad. But vanilla Skyrim is fucking mediocre, with a huge world but a tiny plot. Considering that I MUST absolutely play with mods in order to have fun with it, and that the series has extended its popularity and longetivity thanks to free mods, this move is beyond disgusting.

 

I dont think I would ever like the idea of paid mods, but I do have to agree with you on skyrim. I actually didn't like it too much when i was playing it on the xbox, but soon afterwards i tried it on the pc and with mods, it became my 3rd favorite game of all time. Where as Oblivion was like PFFFT no mods needed for me, but that could just be me being dumb..i dunno.

 

when skyrim first came out, i refused to play it after i saw how ugly the textures were.

 

 

 

Would of been better if Malukah had done it.

 

would she do it for free?

 

 

Yes, otherwise she would have to give Bethseda 75% royalties.

 

I can't wait for that person to appear. We should start our quest to find The Chosen One (who will save the community).

 

What shall they be called?

 

 

The Moderator : Judgement Pay

 

somebody should make a world boss that travels around skyrim with this name.

 

 

 

Would of been better if Malukah had done it.

 

would she do it for free?

 

 

Yes, otherwise she would have to give Bethseda royalties.

 

 

That sounded rather naughty, you realize that, right? :PPPP

 

LOL

Would of been better if Malukah had done it.

would she do it for free?

I'll bet you have to pay a subscription for playing a solo game.

 

Oh and solo game comes in chapters also.

 

Elder Scroll VI chapter 1 50$ please 50 hours gameplay

Elder Scroll VI chapter 2 50$ please next 50 hours of gameplay

 

You prolly get full game but if you pay 50 $ rest of game still behind paywalls if you want next area 50$ or stay behind paywall.

 

I'LL BET YAH PEOPLE MASSES will gladly pay for this.

 

Hey is capitalism right FUCK YOU

 

and so on.

haha, dont give em any ideas

well to be honest, {and it maybe mostly because my pc is over 6yrs old} but, ive had major headaches tryna keep bethesda games runnin smoothly even without mods added. i dont think i can handle another unfinished buginfested game.

i wanna add, without the modders here, i wouldnt have never played them as long as i have. thnak you guys and gals.

Well you can't argue with that. free mod uses drm so paid mod will not be able to steal it's content either. So this goes both ways.

 

 

 

ive noticed that the "donations button" has been mentioned quite a lot lately. what happend to the donation button for the mods that had it on this site? have they been removed/moved, or have i just overlooked it?

 

Well with the paid system now in place i see little reason to keep the donate up. Unless they let the paid version go. It can't be both at the same time.

well, steams "pay for mods" dont have anything to do with mods on LL...yet does it?

ive noticed that the "donations button" has been mentioned quite a lot lately. what happend to the donation button for the mods that had it on this site? have they been removed/moved, or have i just overlooked it?

yep i was just there and was reading the comments and refreshed the page, it was gone lmao/

 

if the origional creator of a mod dont wanna get on the rape wagon, their hard work will probably be copied/stolen and added to the workshop eventually by someone else.

 

Regardless if you sell your mod or not, someone else can still copy it and sell as his own. Hence your point makes little to no sense to me.

 

 

makes about as much sense as putting the mod up to sell for 90 days, then taking it down to share for free.

if the origional creator of a mod dont wanna get on the rape wagon, their hard work will probably be copied/stolen and added to the workshop eventually by someone else.

yea youre right about betnesda influencing mods but i was thinkin about EA and Bioware. havent they hada big issue about game modders

recently? just wonderin if this is a loaded gun steam placed in the hands of the mod community.

well the indusry has been against the mod community for awhile now and this is probly away to turn everyone against each other by allowing the use/sales of stolen mods and ideas.

or the use of other ppls mod in their mod i mean

i have all respect for the time and hard work  modders put into beth games to make them more enjoyable to play and even more so,  to actually get the games to run. i gotta hand it to steam/valve and whoever else is involved in this scheme, that if theyre intensions were only to gangrape the modder by feedin him/her peanuts for all their work while they themselves get richer off practically free labor. im probably done with steam because, if im gonna pay for a game that hardly works unless its modded and then i have to pay for the bugfix along with it, then im hooped.