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I'm considering becoming a "closet hetero-normative" and retreating to my bunker of sex toys and debauchery til the world finds something more important to worry about....like making sure no one ever dies of hunger anywhere, ever, again.   The priorities of western society are more fucked up than the things they crusade against.

  I actually did a manual install of the latest Papyrus Utils on the fresh game I tested with 1.59c and still had the CTD. Perhaps some of the 1.59b loose files were still in my scripts folder at the time though. Hrrm.

Reviewing those logs one thing is standing out at me in reference to submit, its the bounty errors. But they're calling scripts associated with Submit, not SexLab, I need to look over the 1.59c resources and see why an interaction between Submit's scripts using the 1.59c framework would cause that before I can make any further guesses, thanks for grabbing the logs, I need to check my inis and see if I have logging disabled and get some collaborative debug information.

Is dkatryl on sabbatical? Kind of unfortunate if so because Submit was a well done mod.   Has anyone got a papyrus_0.log that has any visible errors in it that might point to the cause of the argument between SexLab 1.59c and Submit 1133?   It might be something we can fix collectively if we can get some info on what the error is. I just never get a papyrus log related to it at all.

  Some of it is, some of it is not. Granted a lot of what Bethesda themselves have done over the years has varied in structural design complexity of the armor so saying an armor is or isn't lore is kind of a toss up.   If we're talking visual aesthetics then I'd say the first three are beyond the skill of Eorlund Greymane in structural composition, Skyrim metallurgy doesn't appear to have advanced to the points to be able to mold steel in that fashion. The second two are more believable but being Daz content, unless I owned it and converted it myself, I wouldn't have it so its kind of immaterial in regards to armors available to the public that count as good western themed armor sets.   Overall though its an internal argument that the game loses with itself anyways, most of Skyrims armor is very organic and believable then you get stuff like the steel plate which comes directly out of Norman England which while appearing to derive from previous plate design in the iron category, adds all kinds of complicated advances in metallurgic molding that you kinda wonder where it came from.   And again I'm not like ITS THE LOAR DUMMEH here with my observations, cause everyone has a right to have whatever they want in their Skyrim install, if your lore says the Dovahkiin is a 12 year old child, then thats the lore. If someone elses lore says the Dovahkiin is a reincarnated Lusty Argonian Maid that regularly has sex with dogs...then thats the lore.   My lore...Skyrim is just a much more organic place. I prefer blood, leather and steel. With a dash of aggressive sex and an overtone of slavery in the background because I just prefer a darker, grimmer world. Thats my lore.   We create the lore of our worlds, so no lore is wrong.

Hrrm I'm getting CTD's after assaults after updating to SL 1.59c.   I believe its tied to some kind of error with failures to loot coin both from non-entity actors like monsters and even humanoid NPC's because it occurs when looting should occur. I have equipment loot turned off in the options and it continues to occur so I can only assume its a failure on coin loot for some reason I don't quite understand.   I originally experienced this after updating to SL 1.59c on a well entrenched save which had been working fine with Submit previous to the 1.59c update. I also tested this with a completely fresh game and ran out and got defeated, assaulted, and crashed at the exact same point in the assault process between assault and binding.   The crash is not generating a papyrus log, so I do not have that to submit, the PapyrusDevUtil.log is not providing any visually relevant data, just override codes.   My load order, generated by LOOT     All mods in the load order are the same as the mods in my previous save where the issue became evident as of updating to SL 1.59c   Edit: I am downgrading to 1.58b to see if the issue occurs on that version of the framework and will report back once I've found out.   Edit Deux: A clean reinstall of SexLab 1.58b has stopped the CTD on loot on both the new save game and the original save game where the issue cropped up. So something in the loot call is not being processed correctly by 1.59c as far as I can tell.

This is fairly good. Thank you.   But, FYI...even if I set the female breast on the smallest edit, which is 332, to the most near to largest EA standard slider range...then a pregnancy initiates, this mod makes things even more hilarious.   Effectively the 2x slider range appears to be being applied to each breast size increase associated with a trimester, if you size the breasts well beyond EA defaults, the breasts literally become a moving hazard, size wise. Effectively to keep the breasts at somewhat believable during pregnancy, you have to constantly CAS edit them down to "large" then after pregnancy you end up literally morphing down to an A cup.   This isn't really you're fault of course nor the fault of this mod, its just how the EA morphing system is affecting the 2x/3x range. I have not tested on all slider ranges so I cannot confirm if its the same for all but I'd assume that it is.

I personally feel somewhat put off by the overwhelming amount of anime based content for Skyrim.   But I don't have to use it, so I don't make a lot of noise about it.   I think its fair enough to say there is a lot more armor out there, especially for female characters that has a fairly obvious eastern style to it, than there are that many really good armor ports or armor types for female characters that suit a more westernized idea of what armor looks like. You can't really count the ten thousand conversions of the base Skyrim armor to fit the one hundred different bodies out there competing for peoples use, or the crappy "remodeled" armors that are basically just stock armor redesigned to show off as much as possible.   Skyrim didn't really get half as many good, original, lore friendly outfits, and as far as ported content goes, the Tera stuff can only be called marginally lore friendly, as in...the lowest tier Tera armor in the Tera set would probably be equatable to one of the most complex and hardest to attain armors on Nirn, much less Tamriel...just in the design and materials of it. And the Witcher ports, while more western in style, aren't specifically right for the visual period Skyrim is in.   Overall if you disqualify Remodeled Armors and stock armor conversions, Skyrim really got a poor showing as far as good, originally designed lore friendly pieces in relation to armor.   But back on point, I think your character is cute, and I respect the time you put into it, its definitely not my style and not the kind of thing I'd have in my Skyrim install, but I wouldn't waste a lot of time telling you it didn't belong there. Its your Skyrim install, put whatever you want in it...is my opinion on the matter.

Actually editing skeleton_female.nif doesn't get it done, the node is there, I set scale to 1.5000 for testing, it still attaches at minimum size. Ah well no big deal really.

  Theres no scale reference in the block details for that node on the XPMSE skeleton I'm using.   EDIT: NM found it, had to scroll down.

Is there a way to increase the size on  this when using it as a recognized Sexlab strap on? I don't use Racemenu because it continually destroys my ECE cme save faces, and every time the equip-able SOS schlong is attached as a strap on via Sexlab strap on its extremely small and doesn't play well with Sexlabs animations.   Size controls in  the SOS menu don't affect it and Racemenu just isn't an option, I can't get it to install with ECE and not cause my heads to bug out and even then that would only affect the PC, not NPC's equipping this as a recognized strap on replacement.

  Yes, though I was attempting to qualify the statement without insulting anyone inadvertently. Incest can be a touchy topic.   Simple facts are is if I fucked my brother, my brother and I both know we can't move to some town in Alaska and pretend we have the same last names because we're married. And while there is a certain possessive interest in a familial relationship, there is also the rational understanding that what is being done is being done mostly because of constant proximity and of course love as well.   So yes, simple explanation is incest should manage jealousy differently, or, simply not incur it for the early going in this mod addition, because it simply makes home relations extremely weird if a romantic interest develops between more than two sims.

Malfus, if I might suggest, the XML tweaking for this might be a little more difficult but I think there needs to be a reasonable way for jealousy to not be incurred quite as heavily or quickly in regards to incestuous behavior.   In all fairness while jealousy may be a factor in incest based relations, its not as big a factor and the simple allowance for familial relations is mostly just treating incest like normal sim relationships which, in all fairness, incest isn't quite the same. While there might definitely be love involved in incest, its not generally love that any rational people believe can be sustained beyond the confines of privacy.   So a way for incest based relationships to be tolerant of mainstream relationships outside of the household might be helpful in the long term.

Scalable penis is high on my list, trying to work within the new TS4 mesh system is kinda spooky though....I'm still trying to figure it out.   Nipples on the female mesh also a second priority, adding them as a scalable would also be interesting. Perhaps sculpting more realistic female genitals into the mesh and re-uving for proper diffuse maps incorporating them would also be good.   The rest of that stuff is literally just tweakable via Python override...well other than the animations.

Ebony Valkyrie (Catsuit) has no Tempering entries in CO in the esp, I'm fixing it myself but just thought I'd mention it in case no one else has. Its quite simply an extremely fine piece of feminine heavy armor that doesn't have to show anything to still be fantastic...but without temper its pretty useless.