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lol, well probably should have got past it. xD But at least I admit that I was wrong   In any case. I'm having a lot of fun. I'm playing with the HUD all off and walking most places, but occasionally use the horse. Very immersive for me Still can't get over how big the map is lol.

So, White Orchard is pretty fail.   After playing all day in the area after white orchard...is WAY more epic. I went to the city and it feels so lively. It kinda reminds me of Guild Wars 2 cities, but better and less NPCs standing around doing nothing.   So my initial experience was wrong...the large play area is VASTLY better than I thought it be. The NPCs are a lot better. In White Orchard, they felt so scripted and limited...but that doesn't seem to be in the area after from my experience. Especially that huge city, wow...it feels like being in an actual city. Its really awesome.

So, the initial part of this post is how I'm playing Witcher 3 (pretty much same way I play oblivion and Skyrim. Next is my thoughts compared to Bethesda's games, TLDR on bottom)   I'm playing it where I don't use my horse much. I still use him, but like Skyrim and Oblivion...I always preferred to go on foot. Not to make the game last longer or anything (though that does happen since I barely use the horse), but actually...mostly because I end up missing TONS of stuff on a horse. Like in my first play through of White Orchard, I was using my horse and skipped so much stuff. On next character I was "wow I missed TONS of things". In Witcher 3, I use it if I have a specific place I want to go and don't want to be distracted with stuff, sorta like how I did Skyrim's horses.   Also, ALL HUD is off...no health, no magical futuristic sci-fi radar...just my character and the game world. Its same way I played Skyrim with immersive HUD. I find it far more immersive, and I focus more on the world than staring at a very annoying radar (or compass in Skyrim is just as annoying to me). I'd actually MUCH prefer a game to have a compass, but not a magical lazily-made completely non-immersive one that was probably made in less than 30 minutes. But an actual compass you need to take out and look at (like in real life, imagine that)...but no game does that lol. Anyway...   In any case, Witcher 3 is easy to play without HUD unlike certain other games. Do rely more on the map though. And health isn't a big deal, because the sides of the screen get this red glow stuff on it if its low health...plus they included sound effects and your character says stuff if you get badly damaged or/and low health. Finding quests is a bit hard so have to do it skyrim style and look at the map, its not really like Morrowind (or Oblivion had better made quests than Skyrim as well) where they give you a nice detail of where to go without having to use a map or stupid follow the dotted line like I'm playing WoW.   Morrowind/Oblivion had better quests than Witcher 3, as far as directions, details and text goes. But oh well. Witcher 3 really lacks in that department, and its kinda the main thing of the game is quests...but they just did it stupid like Skyrim and give you no details at all lol. On the plus side, they do give you a "little" bit more info than Skyrim does, but still...the former two games were way better for quest text.   And without the radar, I don't get annoyed by 100 plants popping up everywhere and I don't stare at the radar 99% of the time as I'm traveling lol. Man having the radar on without being able to turn it off would kill the game for me lol. Actually way worse than Skyrim's compass.   Combat is better than Skyrim though, and the world is more open (Skyrim unmodded, has TONS of loading screens (every building, every city, every dungeon, everywhere). Open cities for oblivion/skyrim make it like Witcher 3 a bit but still tons of loading screens, but Bethesda's engine wasn't made for it and so it causes huge performance issues and tons of CTDs. Witcher 3 has a much bigger game world too. Skyrim seems big, but it has a ton of mountains and stuff that make it seem bigger than it is, but its actually smaller. Oblivion had that problem too with the huge lake in middle of the game world took a lot of space (Oblivion had vastly better cities though than Skyrim)   NPCs in Witcher 3 are by far better than anything Bethesda has done, as far as voice acting goes. Except, at least in White Orchard, they are rather stupid. They don't do anything. I see them sleep at night and change patterns in day/night cycles...but they repeat over and over and over. So even Skyrim wins out on NPCs (which I thought were scripted worse than Oblivion). Except, Oblivion had better scripted NPCs more in-line with Ultima 7 as far as NPC routines go. I followed an NPC in Oblivion, she went to village to village, and eventually (this is unmodded btw) she went to imperial city to the inn there and went to sleep in her room. Forgot exact route she did, but she went to another inn once on our route to imperial city, traded with a merchant...and that is about all I remember.   Overall, I think Witcher 3 (and I just left White Orchard, so maybe it gets better)...is rather lame compared to Bethesda games. Skyrim, which is already worse unmodded than Oblivion (Skyrim has vastly better mods than Oblivion though and a lot more stable modded, except quests are still fail even with mods...Oblivion had epic quest text)...   (also, I don't really care about character customization or making my own character  (that isn't to say I didn't love making my Skyrim character, I spent 100+ hours on her lol...so I do love making my character, and its kinda like a game in itself and I get to make a character from my own mind (and its kinda like artwork to me). But I can easily play games without making a character. So its neither  a con or a pro, but some people care)   Also, Witcher 3 has really good exploration (but I'm not listing it as a pro or a con since it isn't really better than Skyrim, but not that bad). I think Skyrim wins out on exploration out of all Bethesda's games, which is actually the #1 reason I played it more than any of their other games. Skyrim wins out BY FAR in exploration compared to Witcher 3...TONS of hidden stuff everywhere.   With that said, Witcher 3 does have a lot of exploration (lots of secrets and stuff)...even in white orchard I found stuff that hadn't been found before lol. But skyrim still wins out by far.   CONS:   1. (huge con) NPCs don't do anything on their own. Geralt has to actually run into a village for anything to happen, and the NPCs repeat the same lines over and over each time Geralt goes past them.   2. Quest text/directions is as bad as Skyrim   3. (huge con) You can beat any monster, at any level. How? a. Aggro monster b. Run away and find where the monster stops following you c. Use igni and hit-run with sword and the monster (or human NPC) will only very rarely go outside his "leash range" (or just igni if you don't want to risk getting hit) d. Victory against everything since monsters leash range is worse than anything WoW has ever thrown up, its same thing with the area after white orchard, so it isn't just the beginning area that has this nearly game breaking game mechanic   Pros: 1. World is massive (it took a long time to go from (the area after white orchard) on horse, full sprint to the middle of the map to far SE non-stop (I did it as a test, plus had a specific place I wanted to go).   2. World is vastly better than most of Bethesda's game worlds (no loading screens (guess to get to a different part of the map, but all buildings and stuff are open so heh. Bethesda games have way more loading screens), realistic forests (skyrim, none of the forests really felt like a forest unless you modded it. But skyrim forests modded were of course rather epic), feels more realistic in how far apart villages/cities are...Skyrim especially felt way too condensed (skyrim is the worst game of Elder Scrolls in how they made the world. Oblivion was far better than Skyrim in how the world was made, but Witcher 3 still wins out. Fallout 3 was actually kind of good to me in that the world didn't feel "too" condensed (except the main city was rather lame (the Southeast city, with all the mutants), but outside that was all good.)   3. Doesn't feel arcadey at all (Skyrim felt VERY arcadey, Witcher 3 is tied with Morrowind and Oblivion here)   4. While I admit I haven't gone to the big city everyone talks about, but I did experience it on my friends lifestream and WOW...the city is massive. And while I did list it as a con, from what I saw...NPCs did "seem" to be a lot better than the ones in White Orchard (the ones in the massive city). But my friend didn't really stand around looking at them, so I dunno.   TLDR: Witcher 3 is pretty fail to me so far (judging by white orchard, but my friend's steam of the huge city he was in may have been better...but so far, NPCs are total epic failures). Also can win every fight because mob has a super short leash and will only VERY rarely go past it to get to you...even past white orchard that still happens. Quests are as bad as Skyrim's ones.   NPCs repeat the same voiced acted lines over and over, npcs don't have any routine at all (barely), NPCs are stupid and stand around doing nothing (and I don't count as the same repeated animation over and over, non-stop as doing something, I consider that as doing nothing), very few NPCs actually doing things...those that are moving around don't interact with you, the world or anything (barely). The entire NPC AI is "barely".   World design is amazing, world doesn't feel condensed at all. Pretty much the only thing I like is the world.   In fact, if the game world wasn't so good (massive and no loading screens everywhere) I probably would get my money back. In fact, I probably will still get my money back, if GOG doesn't refund me I'll call my bank and tell them to get my money back. Cause Witcher 3 so far is a HUGE disappointment. I'll head to the big city and see if its better, but if I see NPCs repeat their same lines every time I go past them, with barely any (if at all) NPC routine like skyrim, oblivion, fallout 3/NV and Ultima 7 have...I'm tossing this game out lol.

Here is a guide I made to get a good looking game and 30+ FPS on low/mid-end systems. The game looks amazing, just don't expect 60 fps on these settings (without a whole bunch of downgrading, unless you have a high-end PC). 30 FPS is more than playable for me anyway, as long as it doesn't drop below it   http://www.reddit.com/r/witcher/comments/384nrb/guide_an_amazing_looking_game_that_is_stable_for/

Here is a link to my tiny Witcher 3 screenshot album. Just three screenshots, as I haven't had much time to play to be honest   http://imgur.com/gallery/PetYl/new

  You know...I do this a lot to. And I also think "well, more stuff to do. Lets find other good quests before I do this one!"   And I never do the quest and end up with tons of content/quests and stuff that I never do

Thanks I re-did my ENB stuff and it actually pops up now in the corner. I guess the enblocal that came with the enb mod I got didn't work for some reason with ENB boost.   10-20 FPS increase now (dunno if that has to do with boost, or the enblocal I previously had a bunch of stuff that lowered performance or both) No more crashes! My game looks vanilla with improved textures and more foliage, as I'm not using enb effects...but vastly more stable than even vanilla was for me. I'm not even getting stuttering anymore, and I got that even with vanilla skyrim with hd textures.   Thanks

Any links or anything to any of this?

Well, I got my Skyrim to be a lot more stable. I just turn off the ENB and no more crashes. In fact, all the crashes are gone. I don't think my video card can run any ENB Even with the ENB effects all off except bloom, it doesn't do ENB   Game looks kinda ugly lol. And I don't like any of the other lighting mods (realistic lighting, sweetfx etc)...ENB made the game look a lot more realistic and better looking than Witcher 3. I bet part of it is the parallax textures are too taxing on my video card too on top of the ENB.   This is what my game looks like with the ENB on (with it off it looks so damn ugly compared with it on rofl)   http://static-5.nexusmods.com/15/images/110/15461404-1427258414.jpg   http://static-7.nexusmods.com/15/images/110/15461404-1422778202.jpg   http://static-3.nexusmods.com/15/images/110/15461404-1427258457.jpg   too good looking for my GPU

My current 660GTX 2gb factory overclocked, keeps running out of video ram on my modded Skyrim (I ran a program and severe FPS loss quickly past 2gb ram used and then instant crash to desktop. Not mod related as without ENB it plays a lot better, but still runs out of video ram and crashes (like I said, I ran a program to track GPU usage). It lags in DayZ on anything but the lowest and still lags in towns. I can't play Witcher 3 when its out as my 660 doesn't even meet minimum requirements. My geforce drivers crash all the time once it passes 2gb used, and my monitor shuts down and then boots back up with driver recovered. No matter driver used, it happens if my GPU goes past its 2gb limit. I can't play GTA 5 as my GPU is too weak and lowest settings look ugly lol.   Can't play Rome 2 Total war or attila total war, because I prefer giant unit sizes (or whatever big unit size is) and my GPU can't keep up with all the units. Can't play Warband on 500 unit size either, my GPU can only do the default really small unit size and that isn't fun at all to me.   Rest of my system specs:   i5 660 3.3 Ghz CPU (its sorta old, but I can't afford to replace it and I was told its good enough anyway. So GPU comes first ) No SSD drive (can't afford a new GPU, let alone an SSD drive) 8gig DDR3 Ram Windows 7 64bit   My 660 just can't keep up in modern games, or modded games. And I really want to play Witcher 3, but my card isn't even supported in minimum requirements. Can't do anything fun at all, because in warband/total war I have to play tiny unit sizes and that is SUPER boring to me and ruins the whole aspect of a huge battle. Skyrim uses up 2gb video ram pretty quickly, even with ENB off. Even with ENB off, I only get 30-40 FPS...with ENB its 15-25 FPS lol.   Probably cause I use grass mods+1k texture mods...but no one really likes a boring plain vanilla looking Skyrim...I never see those screenshots get any likes or feedback at all and I wouldn't thumbs up my own screenshots if they looked like vanilla In fact, I wouldn't want my Skyrim to look like vanilla I would instead just not play. I'd rather play at 15-20 FPS or whatever than play an ugly looking game (compared to modded) But I can't play other games too. Like DayZ lags in towns even on lowest settings, but lowest settings look ugly as hell and it still lags anyway.   My GPU is quickly not able to play any game with at least medium/high settings...most modern games I can play on low...which means its definitely time to upgrade cause low settings are not very nice to look at I remember I had this problem when Crysis came out lol. Crysis was THE game to test your PC. Now its Witcher 3 and my PC isn't even supported at all   Maybe someone on here has an upgrade they have a spare of that can run Witcher 3 as well I did try a gofundme thing, but that didn't really work out. I had a couple people donate from here, which was really awesome...but it never took off. Probably cause I didn't go everywhere spamming my link, since I don't like doing that.

Yeah. The GTX 770 is pretty much same price as a GTX 970 on Newegg. A GTX 770 for about 270 and a GTX 970 is 320 or so. Price varies between models.   On Amazon (my favorite online store) has a GTX 770 for 200. I still don't have that kind of money. And if I did, I'd rather spend an extra 100 for something newer and more modern.   Which is the problem when it comes to upgrading when you have no money..."well I can get this earlier version for 100 dollars less. But why not save up an extra 100 and get something newer, better and modern"

How safe is it to buy hardware parts on Craigslist or Ebay? On Craigslist, someone is selling their GTX 970 for 220. Pretty good deal. But...I dunno...I don't think I'd want to take the chance that it is a rip off. Too good to be true kind of thing. And Craigslist tends to be kinda weird.   (edit: I don't think I want to be desperate enough to get scammed out of that much money If I even had 200 dollars (I don't even have close to that amount lol) or whatever, I'd probably want to save for a legit seller lol. That is like going to a pay day loans and getting money, but you get ripped off and have to pay LOTS back and then you end up in an even worse position lol.

Maybe the card isn't the issue, or we both have faulty cards All my modern higher-end games get artifacts and black screens and all kinds of weird things. Oblivion is fine, Fallout is fine...older games are fine. Just can't do any of the new ones or like mount and blade I can play, but no point in such tiny battles. Probably putting too much stress on the GPU   Sadly, we are barely affording rent here. We'll be lucky to make it to the end of our lease (in December) so we can move somewhere cheaper. Literally paying SO much rent, and then my parents are paying rent FOUR times in one month because the bills are crazy as hell.

But literally, my 260 GTX got the same exact FPS in every game as my 660 GTX does. Which...my 660 should blow it out of the water. It never did. When I got it, I saw a measly little 2-4 increase in Skyrim and none in other games...I probably should have taken that as a faulty card. But I thought it could have been something else.   (edit: I even bought a high end, high quality power supply for the 660 GTX (when I first got it, my old one was being used and still no FPS increase )...a really good seasonic one off amazon that is 600 wattz. But power isn't the issue as it ran fine on the tests. I think its just a faulty card in some way.)

My 260 GTX got the same exact FPS as my 660 GTX. When I upgraded, I saw a 2-4 FPS increase in Skyrim and none of my games got any increase. If I thought about it when it was under warranty, the card was probably faulty in some way. It does crash a lot when its under stress. And I ran a stress test on my GPU (or my dad did) and my whole system froze and crashed with a fatal system error. Temperature was good (only 40 or something), CPU was good, power was completely normal...but as soon as the video ram was being used it caused MAJOR issues during the stress test. My 660 probably has faulty video ram. And I can't get it replaced cause its not under warranty. Plus even if it was, I still have to pay 50 dollars to send it to them (or I can send it for free, but wait 1-2 months to get a new card. No thanks lol)

I guess I just BARELY meet Witcher 3 requirements. I saw somewhere else the minimum (and optimal requirements) were higher, maybe they optimized it a bit since I last looked. But, that is like the bare minimum I have as far as requirements are met lol.

Of course, the above is my opinion so don't get too offended. Skyrim gameplay with mods is WAY better than anything Oblivion can do and is way more stable at it.   Just Skyrim stories, quests and guild are mostly rather lackluster compared to what I saw in Oblivion. There isn't even a real quest journal either which I laughed a lot at when I first started up Skyrim.

I actually like vanilla Oblivion vastly more than Skyrim vanilla. Oblivion I can actually legit play without mods and still have a great time. The guild quests, the sewer prison you start in, the factions are all WAY better. Fallout 3 vanilla (and NV) I liked a lot more too. Skyrim is actually first Bethesda game I hopped on for an hour or two, went "liked oblivion more"...then got 200 random steam mods (that at least half were broken rofl) and had more fun than even Oblivion modded I thought the prison stuff was really short and not epic at all compared to Oblivion's sewers. I made it to Whiterun after leaving Riverwood. Tried the the thieves guild early on, and companions...but it was so lackluster compared to Oblivion lol. Oblivion wasn't even my first Elder Scrolls, that would go to Morrowind that I played for 3 years. But I actually liked Oblivion more than Morrowind even if I played Morrowind way before Oblivion.   Now, I use Hunterborn, Frostfall, iNeeds...SPERG/SkyTweak...bunch of other really hardcore mods. Lots of fun. I die a lot And with all the zombies (yup zombies from Draugnarok) around, there is no more Riverwood lol. And Whiterun is barely hanging in there. I also added in aliens and predators from...well that pretty much is in the name Mod called Predators The Lost Tribes.   Don't really care about Skyrim story to be honest. Ulfric is a used cars salesman charismatic douche. I hate charismatic cars salesman leaders. Imperials are the corrupt, lazy ass Romans from the fall of the Roman era. A few good imperials (like there were still a few good romans), but most are lazy and corrupt. Thalmor are bad ass at least and out to accomplish their goal, except they are douches too. The blades? Douchier than Ulfric and his band of sheeple, and far more of a bunch of assholes as a group than Thalmor. I kill them any chance I get and save the dragons.   Don't like the guilds either. Thieves guild is lame compared to Oblivion one and by the far the worst guild in Skyrim. Dark Brotherhood is probably the best guild, but nowhere near as good as Oblivion's dark brotherhood. Companions are okay I guess. Mages guild is kinda okay I guess as well. Oblivion did guilds better.   But with mods, its a lot of fun (more than Oblivion)...its like playing a GTA game or some random sandbox game where you just do kick ass random shit without doing any of the main story lol.   With hunterborn, frostfall and what not...it makes Skyrim an amazing sandbox survival game There is no game where you can make it as of a hardcore survival game than Skyrim. On top of the zombies you can add and other monsters and stuff. Just Skyrim's story is lame. The mods that add stories to their quests or new lands are awesome though, a lot better than Vanilla ones.

That looks WAY better than the lore friendly zombies one.   Now I have to decide which zombie mod(s) I want to use and keep   I might try playing Draugnarok with 28 days later, and remove that lore immersive zombies or whatever its called. The lore immersive zombies tends to add just random zombies spawning anyway and it would overload my game with too many zombies on top of Draugnarok Dunno how 28 days later will work alongside Draugnarok though. It might be too much still.   (edit: After looking at the scripts and what not. I'll just use Draugnarok. Looks less intensive than 28 days later, and removing both 28 days and that immersive zombies should actually improve stability even with Draugnarok added. Immersive zombies just adds random spawns anyway all over, so rather intensive on my PC. And 28 days later is good, but lots of scripts)

  I'm using 2 different zombie mods   (28 days for more monster-like ones. They are really strong)   http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/5604/?   and   (Skyrim Lore Friendly Zombie mod. They are slow, but if they hit you, high chance of getting poisoned and dying in seconds )   http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/34293/?   Plus I'm using frostfall, camping mod (same author as frostfall), hunterborn (epic mod), iNeeds, OBIS and Skyrim immersive creatures. Those are the main ones. I won't be able to add any additional script intensive mod though. It is already stable as it is, and don't want to break things

  I can narrow the eyes with ECE (I assume you mean they are too far wide apart judging by your next sentence). Sadly, there is literally only two options in ECE as far as eyebrows go. But, with narrowing the eyes a tad (they were actually kind of spaced out), made a big improvement. And attempting to tweak the eyebrows, it might have helped a tad bit there.

I'm roleplaying a hunter, a survivalist. Who is trying to survive the zombie and alien apocalypse. Typical zombies, slow moving but extremely deadly with a disease that can kill in seconds. A second infection is also taking place, a more sinister one. It starts with one infected person in Markath (makes most sense to choose that city)...these zombies (not really zombies) however are more like monsters that you'd see in Dead Space. Very vicious, big, strong and scary as hell. They also attack the zombies that are similar to The Diseased ones (who carry a deadly disease that even effects the Dead Space ones, but both tend to be on even ground even with that huge advantage of The Diseased. The dead space ones are way faster though and can one-two hit The Diseased). Two different zombies competing each other.   On top of even that...there is strange new monsters everywhere in Skyrim. Things long thought dead or never known they existed. They too prove a threat to the land of Skyrim (and beyond time).   In the mean time, my character is cursed by the Daedra. If she stays in darkness...she starts getting hallucinations that eventually attack her (but really she is attacking herself) if she stays too long away from civilization or light at night.   She begins in a farm house. She soon is driven away by the creatures of the apocalypse. Rumors have also passed by the farm house from various couriers and refuges of Markath, that evil is spreading from there. She takes what she can carry, and travels east. She takes a device given to her by a stranger, a Well that is rumored to be the beginning of a new civilization. She does not know more than that and thinks whoever gave it her is crazy or attempting to scam her in some way. She was also given a boring "guild" stone said to attract people to it and obey all her commands. She kept it because it weighs nothing and feels incredibly fake to hold...but hey, who knows.   Her destination she does not know, except eastward. Past whiterun, possibly somewhere in the safety of the mountains. It may be, that the grey beards are the last hope (or life!) of Skyrim...high on a mountain where little life goes. But, is it safe? It at least gives her the safety of the grey beards and their temple. However, because its the apocalypse...there is also TONS of bandits all over the place. They are also deadlier than they used to be. Bandits of course try to secure their little forts from zombies, but sometimes doesn't work too well   On top of that (for aesthetics), a strange fog/mist has taken the land and most days you can't really see too far (it is sorta like a silent hill fog, but there is a view distance so it isn't an annoyingly short view lol)   Rules (might seem like a lot, but tons of stuff to do and its a lot of fun)-   Only (one handed) swords, daggers, (one handed) axes, bows, guns or grenades (yup you heard me).   No shields, no maces, no two handed weapons, no crossbows (it takes someone really strong to use a crossbow, and personally don't like crossbows )   Light armor or no armor (heh heh ) (but in some cases no armor is probably better for sneaking, no noise or distractions of the armor at all, except the noise you make)   No magic at all. No shouts, no spells of any kind.   Alchemy is fine because that is more "science" Enchanting I haven't decided on yet...seems too "magic" like, but I dunno.   No companions (the followers) (mostly because they attack too many zombies and run off, or/and get in the way.) Fast travel is off   Only console commands is to spawn in some basic crafting stuff (a leather rack, blacksmith stuff like a forge and anvil, alchemy stuff etc) at the grey beard temple (unless there is too many zombies and the grey beards are all dead, then she'll have to move on and choose a different location) Saving wherever is fine, simply because its super easy to die from the infected zombies. I don't really feel like losing hours of progress cause I got infected in one hit Hard enough to survive, if I have to worry about safe points to save at...that would make it too annoying and tedious. I usually forget to save anyway lol   And as far as joining the civil war. Doesn't really seem like it makes sense to choose a side and worry about warring over cities in an apocalypse. So its probably completely out...I don't like either imperials or stormcloaks anyway.  

That looks a lot better of a load order than what LOOT gave me (even if you customized it yourself). LOOT made my load order so messed up it was like trying to organize a garage that is packed with stuff filling every inch of space left lol. I didn't even want to try properly organizing it xD BOSS I have a lot (almost half my mods it doesn't find) to organize. But like you said sort of, because I'm actually organizing it...the load order is more "right"

So, I've been using LOOT. But, my game started getting unstable (again). And its always crashed randomly, along with slow menus and what not. Low FPS and all kinds of things. Time just to re-do it all. So before nuking the data folder, I decided to run BOSS. Without changing ANYTHING in the skyrim folder. I then put all the undetected mods to their place.   I know LOOT, you're supposed to manually move things...but LOOT makes it a LOT harder to do that (for me anyway) because its all random and disorganized lol. I have no idea where mods are supposed to go. Hence why I always preferred manually sorting them through BOSS in Oblivion and Fallout 3/NV lol. They get the job started, than I do the rest.   And...my FPS went from 20 on average (I overload graphics for better screenshots lol. Need a new GPU ) to 35 on average   Why did load order have anything to do with FPS? I ran LOOT again, and my FPS went back to 20. WTF rofl. All it is, is a different load order?   So as another test, which I always crashed doing this...I sped up time a lot and did that crash test thing where you move super fast and go all over. Drops to 20 FPS (my PC sucks for heavily modded Skyrim, surprised it was that high tbh as I was going super fast)...froze once for 5 seconds...went all the way to windhelm to riften and then ALL the way up to Solitude.   Not one crash.   And same exact mods, but LOOT made crashes all the time. I wouldn't even be able to do that test at all without crashing. Now my game is more stable than ever and literally the only thing I did was use BOSS and manually move mods lol.   On top of that, game is loading super fast now like it did a long time ago when I had no mods. Menus loading super fast. Overall performance and stability went WAY up.   Dunno what LOOT did, but it must not like my mods lol. And still don't really know why a load order would decrease the FPS so much. But whatever...at least its working now.

Dunno why the eyebrows got so bugged last time. I didn't change any files or anything and it just fixed itself. Maybe bodychange did something weird and bugged out on that character.   How does character three look now? I changed the nose a bit, and changed the eyebrows to another kind and made the chin a bit longer as it was actually rather too short before.