Dr. Thang

If 33% of women are raped shouldn't their rapists, around 33% of men, be in prison?

Yeah, maybe they took major liberties with unreported rapes in that statistic. Of course you shouldn't be surprised by how many rapists don't get punished for it, even if that number really was about 98% of them I wouldn't be all that surprised. I mean my best friend has been raped at least 5 times, and she's not even 18 yet. Not one was arrested, or even reported, she didn't want to go through all that shit, and I don't necessarily blame her, but it's still depressing as fucking hell. When you consider that, and how many countries still largely feel like women have it coming sometimes, I could imagine millions of cases going unreported, or not taken seriously. Of course that's just an opinion, not a statistic, and that 33% statistic is probably exaggerated, but probably not by a whole hell of a lot, and I guarantee it's a hell of a lot higher than male on male rape.

I mean, that doesn't even make any sense when you think about it, why would men rape other men more often than women? Unless you are insane enough to make the case that women rape men at a staggering rate, which I don't think even corespore would buy, rapists are literally like 99.99% male, right? Even if you count child molestation under the umbrella of rape, it wouldn't be much lower than that. Of course if that were the case, you'd have to consider all the boys who are molested, and they make up almost half of all molested kids. Girls are still the majority of them, in this country at least, but in some boys are slightly ahead, I'm not sure why. But either way it's usually pretty close to even when it comes to that. But I'm getting off track here, my point is, male on male rape must happen almost exclusively in prison. Or the military. Anything with a lot of men together with no women around I guess. And either way, with men still being almost 100% of all rapists, even if a lot of their victims are men, that still makes men as a gender look pretty fucking despicable.

 

Be careful with that. In 2001 42% of state prisoners were not incarcerated for violent crimes and 48% of federal prisoners are in just on drug charges. Seems pretty safe to say most male prisoners are not in there for violence against women.

Oh shit, you're right. I guess I forgot about how we still send people to prison for non-violent crimes because...well because it's fucking insane that we still send people to prison for non-violent crimes.

 

i posted it. You have the answer in the links i posted for you.   

"nearly 25% of women and 7.6% of men were raped and/or physically assaulted..."

"Approximately 1.3 million women and 835,000 men are physically assaulted..."

"Intimate partner violence made up 20% of all nonfatal violent crime experienced by women...Intimate partners committed 3% of the nonfatal violence against men"

"In 2000, 1,247 women and 440 men were killed by an intimate partner. In recent years, an intimate partner killed approximately 33% of female murder victims and 4% of male murder victims"

"Of females killed with a firearm, almost two-thirds were killed by their intimate partners. The number of females shot and killed by their husband or intimate partner was more than three times higher than the total number murdered by male strangers using all weapons combined in single victim/single offender incidents..."

"84% of spouse abuse victims were females, and 86% of victims of dating partner abuse at were female."

"Males were 83% of spouse murderers and 75% of dating partner murderers"

"50% of offenders in state prison for spousal abuse had killed their victims. Wives were more likely than husbands to be killed by their spouses: wives were about half of all spouses in the population in 2002, but 81% of all persons killed by their spouse."

Ok, this is really long, but I'm starting to see a pattern here, do you? And you people say there is no need for feminists in this country and we have complete equality...

But anyway, where's the part that says more men are raped than women? Cause I couldn't find it, and besides...well I'm not saying anyone who goes to prison deserves to be raped (ok maybe SOME of them do, child molesters for example), but considering this is the kinda disproportionate violence happening to women outside of prison, innocent women who didn't do anything that would land them in prison, I have a feeling I'm gonna have a hard time sympathizing for male prisoners after this. Especially considering that last statistic.

 

I don't recall saying that men are the real victims in anything. I don't get why you keep saying that?

And here are the statics. Both the ABA and NCADV are considered to be the best un-biased sources of domestic abuse data collection. 

http://www.ncadv.org/files/DomesticViolenceFactSheet(National).pdf

http://www.americanbar.org/groups/domestic_violence/resources/statistics.html

 

And here's the statics from the PCAR concerning prison rape since you so conveniently swept it under the rug.

http://www.pcar.org/statistics-prison-rape

Nope, don't feed me that horse shit, I know men get raped in prison, but YOU said:

"if you factor in prisons the number of men being raped exceeds women"

So where is the statistic that says men get raped more than women in the world?

 

it's estimated that about a 3rd of all women are raped at some point

Can you source this by any chance? I've seen this number a lot but I've never been able to find the actual data it's taken from.

I don't know, like you I've just seen it a lot too. All I know for sure is that there's no way in hell more men are raped than women, and even if they were, men are still the ones raping them, so that does nothing to help the idea that men are the real victims.

 

And if you factor in prisons the number of men being raped exceeds women yet you only seem to want to talk about it like it only happens to women.

Oh wow, no. Nope. No way in hell. Not even close. Everything you said after that just sounded like a fog horn to me because that is the biggest bullshit lie ever made in this whole thread. First of all, prison rape rates aren't as high as TV would have you believe, in fact most of the sex men have in prison is consensual. Second, it's estimated that about a 3rd of all women are raped at some point, do you think a 3rd of all men have even been in prison at all? Let alone raped while they were in there? Besides, ignoring the fact that you are brain damaged if you think more men are raped than women, what percentage of rapists do you think are men?

 

I don't think anyone is trying to justify rape..... Or atleast I hope not.

But you do have to admit that when a person is arrested for rape and he/she proves their innocence later and the accuser goes unpunished it can create potential for abuse. Take the Duke university scandal for example, 8 years later and many of the accused are still looked upon as guilty despite the fact they were proven innocent, and what was consequences did the woman who filed a false police report have to face?  

The police declined to press charges because they felt the "ordeal was traumatizing enough". 

If anyone really feels that the sexes should be equal then shouldn't the consequences for a false accusation be equal to the crime a person accuses another of? 

 

As for you statement of extremely rare case of false accusations the NDAA (The National Center for the Prosecution of Violence Against Women) Put the rate of false accusations at 2-8%, the DOJ puts the rate at 7%.

Here, I'm posting a link to a women's support organization and since i posted it feel free to denounce it as per SOP.

http://ndaa.org/pdf/the_voice_vol_3_no_1_2009.pdf

Wow, so you are capable of making a point without image macros!

The problem is, redditors and MRA types, which are essentially indistinguishable from anti-feminists at this point, use shit like that to completely ignore the issue of rape and make men out to be the real victims while vilifying women. I mean you said it yourself, 2-8%, that means 92-98% of rapes are real right? So why do anti-feminists only care about that 2-8%? Besides, this is all ignoring the amount of rapes that go unreported, which is impossible to determine but probably staggeringly high. I mean just look at what happens to women in the military who report being raped! Seriously though, think about that, 92-98%...that's a LOT of rape to sweep under the rug just so you can bitch about women. If men are only victims 2-8% of the time, why do anti-feminists spend 100% of the time talking about that when the subject of rape comes up?

And I don't think I care about what the guy who calls everyone a faggot has to say anyway.

My reaction to feminism:

 

/Rant mode on

I'm seriously fed up with this shit.

Why can't people stop being faggots and live their lives ?

/Rant mode off

 

Wow, that was quick.

Well, if you call everyone faggots, you must have some great points to make!

There is no tinfoil hat...(paranoid gibberish)

I don't think you are making the point you think you're making.

but should females get away with false accusations

 

and btw who get away with rape

after murder it is most devious crime in all western countries

but probably you mean case when women go to pub determined to get a laid she find wonderful guy they (BOTH) have sex but since he is not interested for relation with her that is...

 

and btw clothes (same as jewelry) from beginning of time have role to send a message to other members of society about his owner

Oh, of course, a woman gets raped in the world every few seconds or so, but the REAL victims here are the extremely rare cases of men who were falsely accused. I can't fathom being a big enough piece of shit that when the subject of rape comes up, the first thought in my head is "but how can I use this to make women sound evil?"

Yeah, I hate reading a sentence 20 times in a row and still not quite getting it. Happens to me literally every day.

 

 

If you get offended by the idea that men are responsible for their own actions and should not be allowed to get away with raping women based on what they are wearing, you are exactly the kind of sexist that feminists have a problem with.

 

........... I don't think you worded that the way you meant? 

 

Dammit, I read that like a dozen times over trying to see what was wrong with it, and it turns out there was nothing wrong with it, you just confused me for no reason!

 

http://www.returnofkings.com/3593/7-traits-of-the-male-feminist

Ha, wow! I hope you provided that link as more evidence that anti-feminists are insufferable pricks, cause that article is one of the best examples of this I've ever seen.

 

I've seen far too many men become outright resentful of women, because a bunch of tumblr variety feminists pushed them until they lost it.

If someone resents women, it's not because of feminists, it's because they are a fucking dick. Using a handful of annoying feminists to justify a hatred of all women makes you a massive throbbing pile of mammoth dicks, it's a pathetic excuse and I don't buy it for a second.

Men do some inconceivably sickening shit on a daily basis, almost all rapists and child molesters are men, almost all murders are men and pretty much all wars are caused by men, but you look at that and say "not all men are like that, and you're a terrible person if you resent all men for that", as you should, because it's wrong to blame all men for what a few of them do. But then a few feminists on the internet complain about a busty female videogame character and you say "well that's it, I hate all women now"? No, that is completely stupid hateful bullshit, there is no excuse for that, don't blame feminists for that, people like that are just shitty garbage people, that's it.

I mean, maybe this hit a bit of a nerve for me, because I have had some very close female friends who I cared about a lot whose lives were hell because of the horrible things men did to them, and it's hard to not just resent all men because of that, but I don't, and neither do any of them, not a single one. So for them to go through all that and still not hate men, and for me to have this mile high stockpile in my head of awful traumatizing stories about terrible shit men have done and still not hate men, to hear someone use being mildly annoyed by feminists as a justification for hating all women makes me sick. And it doesn't help that you seem to consider this a problem with feminists rather than the assholes who needed very very little reason to resent all women.

Huh? I never claimed to be an authority on anything.

 

No, seriously, there are women who honestly accuse men of "stare rape". I wish it was some made up sarcastic shit but it's not. 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Eye%20Rape

http://www.avoiceformalestudents.com/goshen-college-declares-all-male-students-who-stare-at-women-are-rapists/

Just one of the reasons I'm always wearing sunglasses in public, even indoors. Some people may think it's douchey, but nobody can see what I'm looking at.

Actually, the main reason is because I have pretty serious eye contact issues and hiding my eyes is the only way I'm comfortable around people, but as a fun little side effect I can stare at whatever I want and nobody knows.

 

Now the urban dictionary isn't much of a source, and the other one refers to some disappeared text of a college that professes among other things that "We confess that our sexual attitudes and practices too often fall far short of the biblical standards. No one can boast of perfection in this area." Oddly enough, most sex that's in the bible is kinda rapey, isn't it, so who knows what they mean by that.

Heh, I thought the same thing. "Oh! Well if urban dictionary says it..."

 

 

Did you not hear? Hitting on a woman is now classified rape as well, by modern feminist standards.

So called "eye rape", as I've heard. It only applies if you're white and straight, of course.

 

 

I think you've been trolled:  <a data-ipb="nomediaparse" data-cke-saved-href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe"href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe" s_law"="">Poe's law. 

I think he was exaggerating and knew that's not really true....at least I hope he was.

Fact #1 People say you shouldn't victimize a person for what they wear.

Fact #2 Those same people are victimizing a person for what they wear.

That is the beginning and the end of the relevant information. The situation surrounding the comments is irrelevant and despite your attempts to make it so it will not suddenly become relevant. A person cannot issue a blanket statement regarding a certain action and then go against said statement without the risk of rightfully being called out on their hypocrisy.

Ok fine, if you ignore the fact that one is about rape and the other is about hurting someone's feelings, then sure, they are hypocrites, you win. By that logic I'm also a hypocrite for hating nazis but also being opposed to cigarettes. If you ignore the fact that the nazi tobacco policy is nowhere near on the same level as the nazi genocide policy, then that makes me a hypocrite. I think it's pretty terrible to compare rape to hurting someone's feelings but that's just me.

The thing is, I find anti-feminists soooooo much more insufferable than feminists, and I didn't until I started reading this thread and the gamergate one. But it's not just that, I see them everywhere now, you can't escape them, because they don't need to be attacked or threatened in any way to go off on rants about how feminists are hiding around every corner waiting for the chance to cut off their dicks. I mean yesterday on youtube, in response to this guy who went off about how we don't live in a patriarchy and feminists are nazis (he brought this up pretty much out of nowhere, might I add), I simply responded by pointing out the obvious fact that men control pretty much everything, and that's all I said, it was a very simple and objective statement. Some completely different guy took my statement as an attack on all men, and went off on another rant about feminists. How is it an attack on men to point out the fact that they have more power in the world? These guys just want to feel like victims, and pointing out how privileged men are threatens that.

I mean essentially, I've seen the worst feminism has to offer, and it's still not as annoying and simply terrible at it's root as what I see a typical anti-feminist say on a daily basis (for example, in that same comment thread, I saw 3 separate people call feminists "cunts", completely unprovoked by any actual feminists). I've never seen these genocidal "feminazis" who hate all men, which the anti-feminists seem to insist are everywhere today, but I'm constantly seeing snarky circlejerks about how feminists don't want you to have an opinion and they will sue you for looking at them and they think hitting on them is the same as rape.

Complaining about how hard they apparently make it for you to hit on women when my female friend literally can't walk down the street without being hit on or just blatantly sexually harassed by creepy older men, despite being underage even, is a pretty weak and ignorant thing to complain about to me. Besides, every time I get in an argument, you know the one thing I have never ever been criticized for? Being a man. It never happens. But when another female friend of mine gets in arguments, whether they are about sports or videogames or anything, she gets rape threats and people saying how they hate all women, and just generally focusing all their insults on the fact that she is a woman. Every damn time!

So I just couldn't be less offended or insulted or pissed off or even mildly annoyed by anything feminists say. I've been bullied my whole life, it takes a lot to offend or insult me, and if you can't take someone making fun of your shirt without crying, I can't really feel sorry for you. I'm sure you all have plenty of anecdotes about feminists being terrible, but for every one there are a thousand anecdotes about men being disproportionately terrible to women, and anecdotes shouldn't be the main focus of your point. All I can say for sure is that the incessant snarky whining of privileged male anti-feminists has only had the opposite effect on me and made me like feminists more.

I am french and live in France from my birth .

Yay!...but what were your results on the test?

The whole feminist argument was basically just "you deserve to be insulted for doing something I disagree with", and if you think that is even remotely close to "you deserve to be raped for wearing something revealing", that's your problem. Just because the thing he did was put on a shirt they found offensive, doesn't mean these are the same issues and it's not an incredibly weak and desperate tactic to compare the two. As I already said, this actually DID happen because of what he wore, whereas if you say someone got raped because of what they wore, that would be wrong, so the two things are not the same.

Let me try to put this even simpler. Is it correct that all this happened because he put a shirt on? Yes or no?

And is it correct that when someone gets raped, it is because of what they chose to wear? Yes or no?

If you do not have the same answer for both of those questions, they are two completely different things that should not be compared.

On a side note, I just know I'm gonna be the one who gets blamed for this argument. It happens all the time. Whether it starts with my comment, or my response to someones comment, I still get blamed for starting it either way, and I get blamed for continuing it even though the other person is too, and I'm the only one who gets in trouble pr banned for it. Just because I don't like ignoring people who say something to me. Although in every case I also just happen to be the one with the less popular opinion too, so, yeah, big coincidence huh?

Wow, am I still the only one here who got France as a result? As if I didn't feel like enough of an outcast here already, now I'm French too! I'm gonna go stuff my face with croissants and punch a mime.

Yes, I do not consider a rape and an insult to be anywhere close to the same thing. There is no justification for rape, there are many justifications for insulting someone. As I said before, rape has nothing to do with what someone is wearing, whereas this issue is entirely about what he was wearing.

This guy didn't get insulted for other reasons and then it was blamed on what he wore, he really DID get insulted solely for what he was wearing, that was the entire issue. But nobody gets raped solely for what they are wearing, and if you said that you would be wrong and stupid and fucking horrible. They are nowhere close to the same issue, they just both involve pointing out what someone wore, that is the ONLY thing the two statements have in common.

Uh, both? Or...I don't know, I'm confused now. I disagree with the idea that saying someone deserved to be insulted for the way they dress is anything at all like saying someone deserved to be raped for the way they dress, as those image macros suggested.

...Really? Wow. Ok. No, I never said anything like that, I just said that saying that is nothing like saying someone deserved to get raped for the way they dressed, and comparing the two is ridiculous and insulting.

It's not a valid comparison, rape has nothing to do with what someone is wearing, but this was literally about what this guy was wearing.