Ceit

The answer is NO but eventually when all the other mods are updated it will be YES.

I am looking for a cache a Ewi's mods with particular interest in his Skyrim EMB and Sky textures. Any help would be much appreciated. Please PM me. Thanking you in advance ~Ceit

Make a restore point and back up your files and do the following in order.

1) AdwCleaner; The AdwCleaner utility will scan your computer for PUP.Optional.Conduit.A malicious files and registry keys, that may have been installed on your computer without your knowledge. http://www.bleepingc...oad/adwcleaner/

2) Junkware Removal Tool; this utility can take a while to complete (like 10-30 minutes) depending on your system’s specifications and will display a log with the malicious files and registry keys that were removed from your computer. So grab a coffee http://www.bleepingc...e-removal-tool/

3) Malwarebytes Anti-Malware; It will remove worms, trojans, rootkits, rogues, dialers, spyware. A quick scan will do or if your having problems with your computer like choppy video or laggyness then do a full scan.

4) Run a secondary spyware/malware removal tool like spybot http://www.safer-networking.org/ or HitmanPro

5) Malwarebytes Anti-Rootkit BETA; Go here and run this http://www.malwareby.../products/mbar/

6) Lastly update your anti virus and run a "BOOT TIME SCAN"

THEN ...

install Greasemonkey (for firefox) or tampermonkey (chrome)


http://addons.mozill...n/greasemonkey/

Then go to
http://github.com/re...-adblock-killer

Go to step 3...
and install the the 5 scripts in greasemonkey / tampermonkey
They should auto install but if they don't you can even copy and paste them in. it is pretty simple to get it to work and it updates automatically.

Trying out a new ENB.

where are these pics taken?

Testing Merta Black Rose Armor, hammered into CBBE using Caliente's Outfit Studio.

 

the armour is stunning

Sorry but this thread is incorrect on every level; in areas of the world where paid modding is de rigueur (russia,china, japan, korea), free mods still far and away outnumber paid content by an order of magnitude.

 

Paywall modding was tried with the Sims and it was a spectacular clusterfuck, a certain Euro site already tried making paywall sex stuff and failed hilariously.

 

The only thing this WILL do is separate the wheat from the chaff, and while some modders will certainly go for the "I only work for pay" route, that's not anything remotely new. GMOD is rife for pay-for-models content under the table, yet free still outweighs whalewarez by again, a literal order of magnitude.

 

 

 

copyright

 

You're either trolling or haven't the faintest fucking idea how copyright works. As a game designer and someone who created one of three Doom ]I[ TCs and the only AvP2 Tc in existence on planet earth that covers both MP and SP, I can safely say your specious and unfounded sturm und drang is entirely speculative at best and hilariously inaccurate at worst.

 

Modding will surivive, and modding has survived worse, how quickly we forget that PC has just recently regained the gaming platform crown and what that meant for modding in general.

 

Saying otherwise is either being deliberately ignorant or cartoonishly obtuse.

All i can say is that jerk offs like you who post, "I'm all this and I'm all that and because I know what I know you don't know squat... bla, bla, bla..." you schmucks are all so full of scrap. I couldn't give a shit about you or your your life or your opinion of me. Your post only proves what dick you actually are and how much you hate yourself that you felt so compelled to share the misery that is your life with me. Joy.

I gotta say, I'm a lurker but I read a lot of these forums.

 

If this place became a pay site I'd probably quit gaming for good.

 

Mods are the last bastion of "freedom" in a sea of nickle and diming, companies producing worse and worse games and expecting more and more money upfront, hell before the game is even released.

 

However, I don't think this place is on such a short timer if at all.

Sorry but this thread is not about what you are talking about. There is already a thread for you to rant about pay for mods. This thread was an attempt to reach out to people and to have a type of "Think Tank" conversation and try to come up with a plan to fight back.

Unfortunately it failed and if people want to continue to the mindless insults then go crazy.  I don't get it but hey, it that's what gets you off  and you feel better about yourself then you people can just go ahead and continue. It makes no difference to me. Really  I'll be requesting that this thread be locked or not... I couldn't care less.

Thanks for all the insults

 

 

 

I am also warning everybody that you better back up your Skyrim files because Steam can change the exe file with an update and fuck everything up for you.  I think this is also a possibility in the near future.

 

 

Already did that since the last official update (of the .exe and not the CK), made a full backup to a spare drive, knowing that at anytime hard drives can get fucked up without warning.

 

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Goddamn, Gabe's responses definitely show just how out of reality he is, that he thought money, not passion, should help improve modding.

 

It isn't. Just look how payware fucked up something like The Sims 3.

 

 

 

 

 

I am also warning everybody that you better back up your Skyrim files because Steam can change the exe file with an update and fuck everything up for you.  I think this is also a possibility in the near future.

 

 

Already did that since the last official update (of the .exe and not the CK), made a full backup to a spare drive, knowing that at anytime hard drives can get fucked up without warning.

 

 

i always run steam in offline mode they cant update if there no net connection when i launch there exe

 

@luminar

 

That is exactly what I was talking about earlier a few pages back or was it another thread lol this stuff is heating up.

Or you can modify the main skyrim exe file to get rid of steam altogether ;D

Jezzus.

 

Chesko = 'While I was busy stabbing you in the back, I accidently sliced my finger.  Please feel sorry for me.'

 

Dark0ne just isn't sucking the right dicks over at Valve/Bethesda.  He'll get around to it eventually, since he's had plenty of experience while in British public school and on those fancy-nancy up-the-butt Greek island vactions he brags about (vacations his members pay for, btw).  Once he gets that squared away he might actually admit he's been in collusion the whole time...and then laugh and ban anyone who challenges him on his dubious morals.  Is the Nexus way.

 

Seriously though, the decision makers over at Value/Bethesda haven't though this through if 'we own mods/you must pay' is their new credo. What they don't understand is the games they release are broken from day-one.  Even after they patch them, they still don't work.  Players fix things and we all know that.  Fast forward to the next Bethesda game and they fuck us as usual.  The console release will be first (even though they know that is a dead end, one time buyer market) and then the PC version will come out.  After that they'll release their broken construction set so we can 'mod with it'.  This is where the ass-fucking will really start.

 

JUST SUPPOSE the new construction set is locked by a DRM and you can only access it while on-line.  How are you going to fix the outdated INIs if they're not on your PC?  How are you going to make esps have multiple masters?  How are you going to mod the esms from DLCs if you don't have access to the configs?  How will you be able to really mod anything?  Look at the configs that came with Skyrim and its CK.  You can't do mods with multiple masters without changing the configs.  The same is true for opening the esms/esp that come with official DLCs.  Without access to those and Bethesda not fixing them (which they never do), modding is fucked.  What I'm saying isn't that much of a stretch.  Look at what Valve/BethSoft is capable of doing to modding thus far in their weasly attempt to control it.  Is what i'm hypothesizing that far off base?  A CK locked by a DRM along with the configs and no way to edit them?  Think SaintsRow3 and BatmanArkham and how those are packed from Steam.  The files don't exist on your PC.

 

FNANTASY LAND I have two solutions; don't buy their shit any more OR go back to the last game Bethesda released that was on a disk (that's FO3) and totally cut Bethesda/Valve out of modding and make content for a game they have no on-line control of.  I mean use every utlitiy available and remake FO3 to whatever playform we want.  Everyone turns their backs on Skyrim, NewVegas and whatever comes after and hammers the shit out of a game and engine Steam can't touch.

THIS

I am officially joining the Kendo 2 fan club ;D

I think the CK will either be sold separately for the same amount as the game and will never be on sale or they could licence it out too but I think because people are actually paying for mods now that they may never release a full CK again. I can see them changing that too.

I personally believe that this was all orchestrated by Bethesda as a direct response to modders asking for donations and they became afraid at the prospect that if they let the modde4rs get away with that then what would they do next. Modders think they own their mods and I think that Bethesda is saying, "No you don't."

I am just flabbergasted that people are actually buying them.

I am also warning everybody that you better back up your Skyrim files because Steam can change the exe file with an update and fuck everything up for you.  I think this is also a possibility in the near future.

*Clears throat* Fuck No. Simple.

 Hey LoL thanks for dealing with that. There are always children who don't know how to have an intelligent conversation and only know how to sling insults and accusations. Especially when they are unable to formulate a logical argument. However in this case he/she has misunderstood the purpose of this thread. I am not arguing against or for Pay-for-Mods. There is already a thread for that. The moderators would have shut this down already but they obviously see that I am trying to bring the conversation in a different direction.

Cheers

 

Copy Right Law is the foundation of Western Free Society. Every one of you who live in the free western world owe a debt to Copy Right Law. The invention of Copy Right Law is considered to be one of the pillars of a free society that we all enjoy today. Let's face it, Bethasda has a right to protect their products. The money they make goes to their investors and also goes to future game development AND PROVIDES JOBS THAT FEEDS FAMILIES AND CLOTHES CHILDREN!

Hold on a second, I am still reading the rest of your post.

But I have to stop here...give me a minute.

I need to go fucking punch a fucking wall and hold myself down before I go on a rampage...

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Ok I am better now.

 

Copy right law is sound...or should I say it used to be. Now a days it becomes corporate dicking around against general public, against other corporate, against their competitions. The whole thing is a political and a power play farce nearly bent on nationalism and pride.

 

Ok I am done now...will get back on to the matters at hand shortly...

 

Edit:

Ok finished reading now.

I don't get it?

If you are so strong on the copy right aspect of it, it should be pretty clear that the whole reason paid mod can exist right now is because Bethesda is sanctioning it and under the condition that they take a cut.

 

For adult mod, the pressing issue isn't if we'll have to pay, but rather If we'll even GET to pay for them or if they will even exist.

I highly doubt we'll reach a point in the near future where there'll be flat out adult, much less sexual, mods on steam workshop or whatever other storefront Bethesda cooks up.

 

The key is that no one can put up mod for sale unless it is on the workshop, or more precisely no one can put a mod up for sale unless Bethesda gets a cut. Isn't that how that romance mod ended up with a C&D?

Porn site has the infrastructure sure, but will Bethesda go and partner up with them?

 

??? Why are you banging your head against a wall? Why would you do that? How can you loose control so easily? What did I say that provoked such a reaction? I don't get it sry

Ya I was typing fast and putting a lot out there. I actually had a little life emergency in the middle of starting the thread and started typing in turbo mode. Umm... Personally I am 100% against Pay-for-Mod. It goes against the spirit of modding which was always for fun. It stopped being fun once people started with the "Permission" BS but that is my own opinion and a little off topic. Still many of the GREAT modders that started modding for Morrowind back in the day left modding for that reason alone.

The reason I brought Copy Right Law into the conversation is because once modders started asking for money in the form of "Donations" (or whatever else they call these days) it was clear that Bethesda could not let that happen. They just can't let other people make money from "selling" products made from their assets and game platform. That just does not make sense. Once money became involved it poisoned the free modding system that was in place and now Bethesda wants control of their assets. And they deserve it. It is theirs. They gave it to us and let us mod it for free. They did not charge us for the CS. And we turned around and said we are going to sell our mods without you. And now Big Daddy Bethesda is coming and punishing all of us and saying, " You want to sell your mods? Fine, but we want control and a cut."

So now what? We have lost everything. We have lost their trust. That was my point and why I was giving a little history lesson on the importance Copy Right Law has on society because most people don't ever think about that. Come on, it isn't exactly water cooler talk is it

Porn sites: well bethesda doesn't have to partner with them directly. Their parent company or some other company under the parent umbrella can or they can licence it or make some other deal.  The point here is that there is now blood in the water and the sharks will be coming soon YOU CAN BET ON THAT. Once the corporations see that there is money to be made who knows what is going to happen now.

All these kids and adults that are knew and young and naive don't realize what the real world is like. The corporations are coming now and they are going to ruin it more. Look at what happened so far and it has only been 48hrs. Give this 5 years and we'll see what happens.

You would be surprised at how many major fortune 500 corporations are somehow involved with porn on the net. it is huge money and it is not only about the porn. The offshoots are so many that I am not even going there now. But since there are many perverts here    I'm sure if someone wants to pick that up they will. And please do.

back on point; can they do it, yes it could be done. Will they, who knows. But the porn industry also has MONEY. They can go head to head and force an issue if they want. Bethesda and their parent company are not going to say no to money. They never do. And porn is almost acceptable today. Think about, every teenaged girl and guy are sending naked pics of themselves and posting vids of themselves all the time. it is almost a fashion statement. Blame Hollywood for that and the Kardashians.

I am not saying it will happen right away but I am saying that it is coming in some form or another. How can we organize ourselves to prepare for the inevitable? If we don't organize ourselves then the market will do it for us.   Fuck... I hate saying that

try using the archiveinvalidation mod from fallout new vegas. A member here suggested it to me and it seems to be working for me although I have heard that it doesn't work for everyone.

 

 

As the price of hosting mods and running a forum increases, owners will be forced to look for new ways to raise their income.

 

Let me ask you this; If Ashal posted that he could not afford to keep the Loverslab running for more than the next 12 months would anybody here buy a membership?

 

 

I think you would be surprised at the number of us who would. I think some kind of free vs premium membership model would work. People who are willing to pay to support the board could have a few privileges, and those who don't or can't could still have access to most board features and/or mods.

 

 

As far as what the future holds for modding, adult and otherwise... I think when the dust settles it will be somewhere in between the old free system and a paid system, with modders who want to get paid for their efforts offering updates to backers first, and then releasing free versions to the public later on.

And really, would that be such a bad system? Those who are against the paid model will only have to wait a bit, and the mod will likely have been bug tested by the paying crowd by then.

 

 Umm... sry, I think you misunderstood me or that I was rushing in typing this and didn't explain myself properly but it was to be a rhetorical question. I think it would work. I have been a member here longer than this account. I have never been banned just left a few times when things became slow. I only came back when I started playing Skyrim and to beta test my friends mod that are uploaded here. My point is that I know this has been talked about but I am saying that sometime in the future it could be forced upon us all and in effect then we would all be paying for mods in some form or another

Oh, so it's an alarmist rant.

? Then you don't understand what is being said. Try again. or don't... actually just don't.

It's like I'm reading a long wall of no win scenario.

Try again it is more like a "best case scenario out of a shitty situation."  As soon as money was brought into modding then anyone with half a brain new this day was coming.

So what are we going to do about it. How are we as a community going to protect our interests so that it is fair to all?

If your plan is to just close your eyes and cry about a no win scenario well then I'll leave you be. I for one am trying to make a stand. I am trying to wake people the fuck up... THIS REALITY IS COMING HERE TOO IF WE DON"T PLAN FOR IT!

If we don't stop with the asinine comments like the one from Jexsam then our fate is out of our hands. We need to use our brains and having an open conversation without insulting each other is the first step.

People like to think that piranhas don't turn and eat each other but when they are hungry they do... we are witnessing this right now.

I personally have to agree that this is the path that the world is on.

 

However I do believe that the can be a middle ground, some of the best adult games I've found worked on the model suggested above, where donors get benefits, usually updates sooner. Hopefully if, or when, the adult mods community goes this route, then this will be the method taken.

 

My main concern in the here and now is how this will knock on to mods here in regards to pre-requisite mods that may end up behind paywalls

THIS

thanks for your contribution.

If the past 24hrs has proven anything, it is that modding has been changed forever. I had predicted that Pay-fro-Mods would be a reality 3-4 years ago on ModsReloaded modding forum and of course the predictable onslaught of jerk off kids and adults posted insults and threats towards me and the slew of promises that they would quit modding. I have since that time written about this subject on many other forums, social media and blogs with the same predictable results. Now we find ourselves here...

How long is it going to be before Pay-for-Mods is a reality in the adult modding community? 

3-5 years max is all the adult modding community has left before this cancer comes and rots this community as well. Oh I am sure the Rape and Bestiality mods will survive HOWEVER  IT IS WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT 16-25 YEAR OLD KIDS WILL PAY FOR HIGH RESOLUTION FEMALE NUDE BODY MODS, HAIR MODS, FEMALE RACE MODS, SEXY CLOTHING AND ARMOUR MODS. This is already a proven model on the Asian boards and you can cry all you want but my bet is that Loverslab will suffer the same fate as the Nexusmods is now.

BEFORE YOU ARGUE THIS think for a moment, what would you have said 3 years ago if I posted that Pay-for-Mods would be a reality in the near future. If you think about it then you will come to the conclusion that your response would be exactly the same as it is now. Pay-for-Mods in the adult modding community is inevitable. If Loverslab doesn't do it then some other place will... my bet is the porn companies that pay to advertise here will soon cut their loses and get in the business as soon as they see that there is money to be made. 

Lets face it, the modding community changed for the worse since the release of Skyrim. The game itself was the worst of the series and this generation of kids are just so naive and ignorant that it was only a matter of time after the introduction of "Donations" or whatever other word you want to call it that Pay for mods became the norm.

Yes the writing was on the wall during the Oblivion craze when people started to think that they owned their mods and going crazy with "Permission" rules on the usage of their mods. The giants of the community like Wrye and others left modding just on that alone!!!!!!!!!!! Modding used to be free... In my eye, that was the beginning of the end. People like me who have real life international business experience and others who were just a tad smarter than the average user realized that the Modding Community was putting the Gaming companies into a corner. A position that no one want s to be in.

Copy Right Law is the foundation of Western Free Society. Every one of you who live in the free western world owe a debt to Copy Right Law. The invention of Copy Right Law is considered to be one of the pillars of a free society that we all enjoy today. Let's face it, Bethasda has a right to protect their products. The money they make goes to their investors and also goes to future game development AND PROVIDES JOBS THAT FEEDS FAMILIES AND CLOTHES CHILDREN!

Once the modders started to pay money in the form of donations everything that has transpired in the last 24 hours was predictable.

How will you pay for adult mods in the future?

That is debatable. In my past predictions I had described a number of ways I thought it would happen. I always insisted that the gaming companies would need to align themselves with gaming communities and in this case they chose Steam. I really thought they would choose the Nexusmods because they were and are the biggest and best service even if the owner is a complete ass wipe.

I can seriously see the On-line Porn Industry who already have the money and more importantly the infrastructure to set this all up. It just makes sense.

When you look at the 7Base body mod and the incredible work that Sevennity is doing is anyone really going to say here today that they wouldn't pay $1.99 for it? I think everyone would. I would and I am against Pay-for-Mods. I am against the endorsement and like system and I am against donations but I am also not blind to what has been coming for a long time.

One way or another the future of the Adult Gaming and Modding Community is at risk. We will be buying adult mods in the future one way or another. Whether it is through being forced into buying memberships or flat out buying mods there is little doubt that it will happen. I think that in the near future forums like the Nexusmods and Loverslab will have no choice but to become more private communities... I can't say exactly what will happen but I can see that one day these forums will have a provision where they will more aggressively ask for members to buy yearly or lifetime memberships.

As the price of hosting mods and running a forum increases, owners will be forced to look for new ways to raise their income.

Let me ask you this; If Ashal posted that he could not afford to keep the Loverslab running for more than the next 12 months would anybody here buy a membership?

I can see the Nexusmods allowing people to download 10 mods for free before their account is locked and they start spamming you for purchasing a  membership. FUCK they are already spamming me about fucking donations!!!!

I expect 98% of people to disagree with everything I posted because that is the same reaction I got 3-4 years ago when I posted the same thing about Pay-for-Mods in the mainstream modding community.

Nothing would make me happier to see this all fall apart but unfortunately even if it does I think it will come back. Why?

Because if you have been reading the threads everywhere you will have noticed a familiar theme; the users today support Pay-for-Mods in the form of donations. And that itself ladies and gentlemen equates to users will pay for mods.

So here is my question to you all: Who do you think deserves they money? The mod authors or the forum owner who has to pay to keep the show running? Or both? Maybe a split between the two? Do you believe that you should buy a membership here in order to help protect the free adult modding community?

What are you thoughts about the future of the Adult gaming and Modding Community?

 

 

Second; You don't own your mods. Once you release a mod " FOR MASS DOWNLOAD" on a gaming platform that you don't own you immediately give up all ownership rights. If you want to argue that then you will need a lot of money to pay the team of international copy right busineess lawyers to argue your case in Europe where International Copy right laws are argued. (I forget offhand which country it is done in... it is late here) But I can assure you that all the gaming companies are watching and supporting this.

Explain to me this part. Why? at what point I lose ownership.

Suppose I make a model of something, say, a basketball (whatever unimportant), just a model not a mod, and I upload it.

Now add a little to the equation. I made this basketball, now I put it in a mod, and upload. What then?

Now I made the basketball, someone else take it and put it in a mod, now what?

 

That is a little different then what I am explaining in my post. It is a little grey there but the last time I spoke with my cousin who is in the international copy right law business (passed NY bar exam on first attempt in and can practice law in I think know over 6 countries, mostly Europe) she told me that once you upload something onto the internet for free mass download you legally have given up all ownership rights unless you are a corporation.

Bethesda has already used models from mods in their games like Fallout 3 and also in Skyrim. The authors of the mods have no legal rights and can't do a thing about it. The main issue is that you are not a business. You are not selling it. Now if you just make the model from scratch and are selling it online then that is a different story. If you are uploading it onto the Nexus for free as all mods are uploaded as a free add-on then you have no legal ownership rights. In fact Nexusmods have more legal rights over the mod than you do.

I encourage you to read the user agreement that you agreed to when you downloaded the game on your computer. It is all legal babbble that is written in a way that no one understands and that is done on purpose so that they hold all the cards and put you in a possition of having to defend yourself in court. Which obviously you can't and wouoldn't bother to spend the money and their strategy would be to string you along for years bleeding you out of you money until; you give up. All the while the y will have the court freeze the mod altogerther until the case has been ruled.

The point is there is not a court in the US or Europe that will recognize your ownership of a mod that you released for free on another website that was made with assets that are owned by a gaming corporation or even if your model is released using the gaming companies platform. Once you do that it is very hard to legally keep ownership and I say hard as in impossible unless you have a team of international lawyers with nothing else to do and you have the money to waste.

If you create a model and release as a resource then it is a little different. The law is not clear but if you didn't want people to use it then why would you upload onto the internet on a mod forum website. You see my point is that this is open to interpretation once you give it away like that... it is very unlikely that you  would win prove that a company actually used your model since companies can take your model and change it slightly and claim they they made it.

You are in a position of weakness where legally you have to prove everything in order to win and the defence doesn't have that burden. if you want to say that you own it then fine but try proving that in court against a corporation. in this context I can safely stand by the statement that you do not own your mods.

You also don't make a living from these mods which also works against you. If you were an photographer and you made your living through your photography and you uploaded you pics on Flickr then that would be a completely different situation. But this is not the case here. that is not the position you are arguing.

So again the odds of probabilities of you legally claiming ownership of a mod that you released "FOR MASS DOWNLOAD" (a legal term) for free is going to be very difficult to win a favourable decision.

In the end I stand by my saying that Bethesda owns every mod made for their game that has ever been released on the Nexus and on any other forum on the internet.

i can also bring up other example like Planet Elder Scrolls which the owners tried to sell the entire collection of mods but then suddenly the entire website was shut down??? Why do you think that happened? Do you think nobody was willing to buy it? My bet is that Bethesda stopped it and shut them down. Lawyers don't really have the time to be gaming but in law school MODDING is being studied and these scenarios are being played out and argued and there are parers that have been released on the internet that you can google. There is some great stuff regarding mod and the Blizzard community with some of the problems that they dealt with.

no as far as people requesting that I provide links and stuff like that, legal dissertations are not freely available online. These things are only availble to lawyers or students in law schools. You have to pay for them and linking is impossible since the website that hosts these legal papers and transcripts are closed forums, meaning that you need to be a paid member (yearly access fees and also prove that you are a working lawyer or student,) most law schools offer these services through their library so it is impossible for me to provide you any documentation when I tell you that a lot of this has already been legally ruled on in European world court that handles international copy right law.

Hey if you want to try to go up against the entire gaming industry and their team of international lawyers then be my guest... lol

Hey cheers, don't worry about it. if you want ownership and plan to sell your models then don't release them for free download and make sure you provide proof that they are owned my a company that has been incorporated. That should cost you... I dunno $2500.00 these days to get things set up properly. you would also have to prove that it is an actual company that pays taxes and has employees

The chance of you going through all this trouble for a silly sword texture is next to zero so come on... lets be real. if you want to fool yourself into beelining that you own your mods then whatever but the reality is that legally there is not a court in the world that would side with you.

Edit: the only reason I am sharing this with you is because I have faimily that are lawyers and I have argued the point you are trying to make when I modded Oblivion when I was younger. i should also add that this area of law is in a constant state of flux but overall I stand by the just of my reasoning. Of course I expect every tom dick and harry to disagree and argue while slurring insults. it wouldn't be the internet with out it eh?

Yep. As a professional programmer, I've had to be darn careful even with my involvement here. I have wanted to restart SPS-Morrowind, even without the files that I lost nearly five years ago, but at this point I can't. I could do damage to the reputation of the company I work for if it were known that one of their employees were making a mod like that (and I would get fired, no ifs ands buts or second chances).  What those guys are doing from a technical stand point goes way past SPS.  

 

While I'm not exactly an "old school" modder from original Morrowind days like some of our members, I'm going to kinda-sorta disagree with DoctaSax. I have no problem with modders getting a tip from people. Yes, even two-three years ago even that would have raised a stink, but setting up something like a patreon (or however it is spelled) or a "Donate" button to a paypal account for $1-$2 is fine with me.  I know how much quality tools cost, I've had to spring for programming and digital media software from my own pocket and it isn't cheap stuff.  I'm not necessarily talking about things like 3DSMax or Photoshop, but getting someone in to do voice work, that isn't easy. You look at some of the people doing Let's Plays and Twitch, you can tell who has a good microphone and who doesn't. Heck, even a good gaming rig to run Skyrim well costs over $1000, and that's making it yourself not paying someone else to do it.  Even if it isn't anything more than them being able to order a pizza once in a while, that's fine with me. The key is that it is done with voluntary donations, not demanded payments.

 

And if everyone got what they "deserved," the population of the world would be reduced to all humans under 6 months of age, who would promptly die from lack of care.

 

Edit: I love this, one of the people on the nexus (this was yesterday) put forth that all the big mods like SKSE, SkyUI etc. should get the GPL3 License, but I looked at the site for that and they are under a Creative Commons license. For some reason I find that funny.

First of let me  tackle the first part of your post. That is that YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM! It is because of people like you that the gaming companies are going this! Once they saw that people would pay, donate, support financially they had no choice but to protect their products! They can't allow other people to mmake money off of their products. it is as simple as that. This whole donation BS is what started this whole mess in the first place.

In fact it started many years before that when some time during the Oblivion heyday modders started to believe that they "OWNED" their mods. WTF?!? They started to control their mods with arcane rules called "PERMISSION". What a bunch a crap that was. That was the beggining of the end. Any body with any corporate business or internation copy right law knowledge knew right away that this was total garbge.

Second; You don't own your mods. Once you release a mod " FOR MASS DOWNLOAD" on a gaming platform that you don't own you immediately give up all ownership rights. If you want to argue that then you will need a lot of money to pay the team of international copy right busineess lawyers to argue your case in Europe where International Copy right laws are argued. (I forget offhand which country it is done in... it is late here) But I can assure you that all the gaming companies are watching and supporting this.

The fact is that there are thousands of purchases already and the flood gates are just beginning to open. It is over and this generation of Skyrim modders are to blame. These children don't realize what they have just done... what they lost. The innocence of it all... the fun and happiness... it's all gone now.

I am reminded of the words of Wrye (from Wrye Bash fame) and why he left modding at the hight of his popularity all those years ago just because the modders from Oblivion were enforcing "PERMISSION" rules in their mods ... I can only imagine what he would say now...

This trailer describes perfectly what has just happened to free mods...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yma-g4gTwlE

 

 

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/comments/7673

Yep thats right the guy who created Midas Magic mod added a ad pop up into his older version that asks people to but the mod every time they cast a spell.

 

What an asshole. I used his Oblivion version and it was so buggy and the cause of so many problems and he never even cleaned his mod.

 

It is already too late as people are already buying these mods. It is here to stay and theree is nothing you can do to stop it. Welcome to the future.

 

My new motto and signature will be;

No Endorsements, No Permissions, No Donations. 100% absolutely free and fun

 

Don't give up because one idiot fucked up!.

 

it is not one idiot any more... there are over 1000 mod Skyrim purchases already

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/comments/7673

Yep thats right the guy who created Midas Magic mod added a ad pop up into his older version that asks people to but the mod every time they cast a spell.

What an asshole. I used his Oblivion version and it was so buggy and the cause of so many problems and he never even cleaned his mod.

It is already too late as people are already buying these mods. It is here to stay and theree is nothing you can do to stop it. Welcome to the future.

My new motto and signature will be;

No Endorsements, No Permissions, No Donations. 100% absolutely free and fun  

OMG!!! It is the end of an era... stupid kids, they have fucked up everything!

It's here to stay. End of story

Nexus continues it's practice of banning people for commenting about the pay for mods scandal and are locking any threads that want to discuss it.

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/2796904-nexus-steam-mods-service-providers/

http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/2796839-i-want-to-show-my-support-for-isoku-and-chesko/

The Most Ridiculous Skyrim Mods People Are Trying To Sell On Steam

Just did a Google search on Valve, and the petition to remove the paid content from the workshop is in the results list above their company website and Wikipedia entries.

If you read the comments many of them support the Pay for Mods concept. They seem to just be upset at the 25-75% split. This is Darkputz's position too. This is terrible because the companies will see this as a victory. If the kids keep posting that they support the concept but just have issue with the price split then all that will happen is that they will come up with a fairer price split... we will still end up paying for mods... what's next? In mod purchases?

Bethesda never has been my favorite game company.  The only I buy their products is so I can easily add my own content to them and make the game uniquely my own.  With every Bethesda release since Morrowind modding has become more and more of a hassle and the vanilla games are not getting better.  They might be different, but they are not better and certainly not on the cutting edge of what can be done with a game in development.  They are actually behind the curve.  I fully expect the next game to be even more restrictive as far as modding goes and the obvious tact Valve is taking is going to make modding even less appealing.  And if I can't mod a Bethesda game the way I want, what's the fucking point in buy it?

THIS

I would like to think that most people would be boycotting EA after origin came out but nope still throwing their money at EA and their underwear too:-(

LoL so true

 

What would be really kick ass would be if someone developed an alternative to SkyUI. With the same MCM Functionality and a different but similarly useful layout. And for free.

 

 

Would be really really kick ass if Loverlab was the one to do it.

I'm willing to bet this will happen, maybe not on LL, but if a very popular mod that many mods rely on chooses to go "premium", somebody will come up with a free alternative. Who knows, maybe it'll even be better than the paid thing? It's not like such things don't happen in the world of open source software.

 

This, again, will force the people who try to monetize their stuff to up the ante and work harder, possibly researching alternatives to existing stuff that'd prohibit them from asking for money, like FNIS now does. In the end, it would create certain incompatibilities between free mods and paid mods, but also vastly increase options for consumers.

 

...that, or Valve and whatever publishers jump on their bandwagon will actually try to lock out non-Workshop mods from their games. This would be horrible, no doubt about that. I hope if any moves are made by the corporates in this direction, the modders will refuse to partake in the project any longer.

 

I don't think so... I think behind the scenes modders really want to get paid. Especially the younger ones.

You have to remember that only 5 years ago the older modders left modding just because the new generation of modders werre asking for PERMISSION to use their mods. LoL In the beginning all mods were free and you didn't need to ask permission to use something from a mod... I wonder what Wrye thinks of all this eh?

people should start unendorse mods who went to paid mods, to give those modders taste of there own medicine.

LoL I think they would prefer dollars over endorsements so they really wouldn't care but who knows, I may be wrong. Maybe people un-endorsing would make a difference but it would have to be at least 80% of their endorsements being removed. If they lost only 25% it wouldn't make a difference.