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  No problem doctasax   since that sentence it's referred to something no one can see now, no offence, I suppose your prediction is as crap as mine.   Just consider modders that are textures artists and 3d modelers are not coders, it's slightly more complicated than that, to see them releasing their creations for free while others are getting paid.   Only the time WILL say, of course.     and a late edit, just a reminder to all (see the word: SHARING) for all the categories of modders "5. If a modder finds a new way to do something, they are less likely to share that information as it can be monetized. This will reduce the quality of mods as a whole if knowledge is horded." (user from bethesda forum) you all do not ignore these words     I'm out-

I really don't understand what concept people have of being realistic and reality. Some people think that introducing money in modding (talking about this specific bethesda modding) is overall a good idea.   Well it's NOT and you can kiss goodbye to current quality and variety.   Do you know what it takes to make mods? RESOURCES.   The RESOURCES the modders are using now are NON COMMERCIAL.   Are you aware of that?   When a modder releases a pack of pretty skin, outfits, clouds and skies or terrain, rocks, grass, even hair, tattoos, weapons, cube maps… all the beauty you like… you should know inside those packs have been used a ton of FREE RESOURCES.  i.e. stock photos, brushes, textures, patterns, also 3d models, you name it, these RESOURCES CAN BE USED by the modders because they release NON COMMERCIAL.   The moment these smurt modders should release COMMERCIAL they can kiss big fucking goodbye to all those RESOURCES and MUST start PAYING to get resources licensed for commercial use.   There is a very tiny amount of resources available for free that you are allowed to use for commercial, if you do not know, and you must also pay great attention to the terms of use.   Now people obviously ignore this and everything is going to be so fucking okay! Instead you wake from the dream and this is the BIG fuck you'll get once modders should start PAYING for RESOURCES to release COMMERCIAL.   At i.e. Renderosity they do not google: hair brush and use them. Release is commercial and that FREE hair brush is for NON COMMERCIAL use, so if you need one for your commercial mod you CANNOT use that one, you PAY for one. And do you think with the generous (or even fair) payment Bethesda and Valve is going to grant to modders, the modders are gonna spend their bucks?   At this point you should start rethinking what realism is in this situation. So FORGET the VARIETY you have now and the QUALITY around you have NOW thanks to a multitude and high-quality resources the modders every day are FREE to use.   I wonder if you really are a bunch of fool…  ALL those pretty skin textures your characters have on their bodies are ALL coming from Thepal (for Caliente) and Vectorcide (for Dimon) base textures of their bodies and IIRC Real Girls that is original work by Zonzai.  Now if it was market you would have 3 textures to chose from AKA the original ones and PAY for them of course, this for explaining what's mean not SHARING resources. So…   all those modifications you are using, ALL those modifications of the 3 original ones are there because you guess… it's FREE, the original creators granted them with no problem permission to use and modify, it's FREE environment. Thepal/Caliente, Vectorcide and Zonzai gave to all FREE RESOURCES and from those are made the gazzilion around.   What do you think you'll get once it will be Market? You can start by now forgetting all this.   Go ahead and continue supporting "modders must be paid", go on and get SCREWED.   FREE modders will slowly lose the joy of modding (see the word: SHARING) since it's a market, so yeah you are going to get FUCKED. Textures artists and 3d modelers will be the first ones to disappear in gifting morons who pay for mods.   Take a trip you bunch of realistic people and look at freebies props sites, there are no fools giving you their work as resource if you are going to release COMMERCIAL and if some do, read carefully or you are gonna get screwed more seriously.   I stop here and won't talk about mega-quests and overhauls of any kind where voice acting, beta testing and big collaborations are involved and NEEDED. I'm sure there will be plenty of people eager to spend their time and give help as it was until now, sure, for people who is getting paid.     So, kiss goodbye to big choice of good mods you have NOW and be content with your shrewd bullshitting about monetizing everything is not bad. You should start monetizing your ass too.   I'm sure this will be of no use to people who like to get screwed and there are many, just for the few.

ran out of likes and fucks to give to all will say: noooo not a victory   We can expect the worst for the future, that's about right, but today I'm not disappointed.   I'm out-

bethesda updated that shameful page, in a hurry it seems... run, write! now we sound even more stupid for what we wrote little ago

Gabe posted on AMA right now leaving the link

  Thanks for adding these too, Caliente I knew as allright, some other pointed out the name. Good to know which of the big names, that may have more profited of the situation, didn't jump on the running wagon elbowing their way ahead. And also the jerks that won't see help ever from me.  

  Always better than a BIG middle finger right in the face.   It's been also very informative about Valve (let's not forget the refound shame and deleting complains) and Bethesda present management as a whole.   It's certainly a victory since we are a bunch of guys standing for a passion (while intimidating with money) and we got some result. It will be back this thing, most likely. For now, let's celebrate and remember the jerk names in that workshop showcase.  

YESSSSSSS    I had lost all of hope... Valve have seen reason

link   That's just incredible, they officially think we are morons.   Reading sentence after sentence you read bullshit.   8% Skyrim audience use mods! Which platform you fuckers?!   Bethesda you are putting in there ALL the console gamers too! *audience* This is about PC and the team who wrote this official shit are not even good at their job!   You can never be honest on this one, ever! You just see the potential income and fuck everything else!   I really can't believe what I'm reading: "Opening up a market like this is full of problems. They are all the same problems every software developer faces (support, theft, etc.), and the solutions are the same. Valve has done a great job addressing those, but there will be new ones, and we’re confident those will get solved over time also."   You really serious? You are confident… over time… Valve done great job... support... wtf it's like incredible to read these things. If only I was not so pissed about it, I would have laughed hard at reading this!   There is no word in there that it's sincere, NOTHING! Respect is ZERO for… the audience.     "Three years later and Valve has finally solved the technical and legal hurdles to make such a thing possible, and they should be celebrated for it. It wasn’t easy. They are not forcing us (we had no fucking doubt about it!), or any other game, to do it. They are opening a powerful new choice for everyone."   Yes, you fuckers we are going to celebrate Valve, yeah… let's all celebrate at GOG FUCK OFF! I really have not words for these sentence put together.   Then they put in there numbers the majority of us wasn't asking for in the first place since it was fucking primary to discuss if this thing was even good to exist as a concept! And what they said in the first part (supposedly in that regard) was a shameless bullshitting!   Last part is about DRM, right, I would have bet on this everything! You morons read this at the very end, so you feel better and do not tell us to FUCK OFF!   Shame on you, Bethesda. Now I see there is now way you are reversing back. That's what they wrote is for.

best thing are the Changes Notes  version 1.01 update

    It would be the most beautiful thing if Caliente and Dimon say:   Do NOT use my body for shaping clothes or armor if you are going to sell your mods.   All the mods based on my creations must be FREE.     Way to get the fuckers all screwed.

This is the part I agree. Sharing of knowledge and collaboration has been the core. Competition is now in the way. fuck this shit

Let's list some names.   People who gained lot of respect in my books. Really deserve to be praised.   -Fore, who said NO and NO   -DarkRider. TESA has been invited by Valve as service provider just like Nexus, except he didn't accepted the offer. HERE   "To be a service provider a site has to get the invite. We had an invite, we did not accept, and would not accept because paid mods violate the tenets of our site. As I said, we respect a modder's right to choose, but our choice for TESA is to remain free. That is our official stance."   See Nexus? For someone with balls and real love for modding wasn't that difficult to say NO to be a provider and take part at all in this shit.   -Emma on Bethesda Forum. HER POST is priceless.   -nerdofpray the Bethesda Beggar mod must be supported       And now the biggest jerks I've seen so far:   -Xilverbulet  of Midas Money putting pop-ups "buy my mod" in the free mod, biggest jerk move that clearly picture the character. HERE -Frozunswaidon acting like a jerk not granting permissions while he was seeking permissions to sell his mods. "What do I win?" A big FUCK. HERE -The SkyUI guy , just squalid.  "they are used to it, they would want to rip my head off if I tried to take it away" So you let the outdated version around otherwise we would think that you are a complete jerk… Why would we have to think that? -All the bunch on workshop waiting for some fool to pay for their shit. To all of you a BIG middle finger! Won't see a dime from me, EVER.     If anyone has some other names, please list them.

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