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3 hours ago, Swyke said:

There is already a thread where a "Sexlab Solutions"/"Sexout Consequences" like Mod was discussed. http://www.loverslab.com/topic/54981-npc-encounters-that-could-be-sexualised-solutions-amorous-adventures-style/

 

I have played Fallout 4 only for about 10 hours, so I can't make much suggestions for the mod but here are some general thoughts about it:

 

1. IMHO a mod that adds sexual solutions to the vanilla quests and NPCs is the most important mod thet has to be made for "Sextec" or how the LL-Fallout-4-sex-framework will be called. For me it will be essential to "spice up" the vanilla game as soon as a sex-framework will be made, and I have no great interest in simple "klick-to-bang-mods"

 

2. If you follow some basic rules such a quest overhaul should be easy to makel, even for a modding beginner. But "Fallout 4 - Sextec Solutions" could/should be a real LL comunity mod to add all the ideas an possibilitis we have.

 

3. If you look into the quest overhauls for Fallout NV/TTW (and maybe Skyrim, but I never modded Skyrim) you can see, that you have to add some dialogue topics to the NPC that starts a conversation (maybe in a new quest) that leads finaly to a sexou/sexlab call in the topic resolution script. Maybe some variables or quest stages are set, so your choices in the mod are "saved".

 

4. I would not try to add nuch more into a "Fallout 4 - Sextec Solutions" mod. In Fallout NV a simple thing like adding an AI package (to change the vanilla behaviour of a NPC, maybe just let him walk to a specific place) could end in a anoying mess because it works flawles for the modder but breaks the game for some mod users. So IMHO things like slavery or (new) companions should not be in the mod. Those are much more complicated things then just adding a few dialogue lines.

 

5. The part of making a "Fallout 4 - Sextec Solutions" mod I realy don't know now is: HOW DO WE ADD ADDITIONAL DIALOGUE CHOICES? Right now the vanilla dialogue system offers only four choices. And usualy all four are set by the vanilla dialogue. So how will we get a fifth and sixth ... choice? And as we will not have voiced dialogues and I don't want a primitive "Fuck?" topic I fear we will need ONE dialogue interface mod that will be a standard that can be made a requirement for "Fallout 4 - Sextec Solutions".

 

6. I hope we will get some MCM like mod to add menus to the mods, so a one for all tastes "Fallout 4 - Sextec Solutions" could be made. Via the mod menu the players could swich on/off the contents they (don't) want to see. So every option in "Fallout 4 - Sextec Solutions" should be taged as (for example) "Consensual", "Non-Consenual/Rape", "Prostitution", "BDSM", "Bestiality", "Hetero", "Homo/Gay/Lesbian" ...

 

But here is the most important thing:

 

7. "Fallout 4 - Sextec Solutions" could be started as soon as the GECK/CK is released - of course without animations, just the dialogues and instead of the animations/sextec-calls a fade to black. Like in good old Fallout 2. So it could be ready to be animated as soon as "Sextec" will be released.

Oh, interesting that there's already a thread for it. I'll still probably make my own "version" anyway, just so I could implement what I specifically find interesting.

As for all the points you made...

1. That is literally my intended point for a mod. As I refer to it as "Contextual sex," sex with context. Not, as you say, click and bang.

2. I am currently learning about modding.

3. I have used such mods, and like the ideas, they are in fact where I got the notion to do this from. ^^

4. I don't plan to do anything overboard.

5. I already have an idea on how to work with F4's dialogue system.

6. An MCM is always useful.

7. I intend to get to work on my intended mod as soon as the Creation Kit for this game is released, haha.

17 minutes ago, ufdunker said:

I see. Anyway, I did edit some of them. For how to hide comment, click the "eye"(spoiler) on your edit menu, then you will see.

Huh... I did not notice that initially. Thanks man.

3 hours ago, ufdunker said:

I add some simple perk/effect for what i posted 

 

Lady_killer/Man_hunter:

  Reveal hidden contents

Rank1,
        sex reward available(some quests)
    Rank2,
        sex solution available(some quests)
        better dialogue & buff after sex(comment & effect depends on charisma)
    Rank3,
        do can make nearly every NPC a lover

 

*Pimp:

  Reveal hidden contents

Rank1,
        discover(chance depends on charisma) whether the NPC is prostitute(not many) when start a talk
        (not only for sex, but also a sex solution for quests)
    Rank2,
        do can(chance depends on charisma) make NPC a prostitute(not many)
        (profitability depends on sex times & a stackable buff after sex from you)
    Rank3,
        do can make nearly every NPC a prostitute by giving drugs(if the NPC accepts drug)
        (chance depends on number & type of drug, takes few days)

 

*Slaveholder:

  Reveal hidden contents

Rank1,
        enslave command available(when pacify a NPC, chance depends on charisma)

 

Interesting ideas! Though some of the pimp and enslave one sound more like other types of mods that do exist for F3 and Skyrim that I am not particularly looking to make, but they no doubt will be made! The ideas you suggested for the Lady Killer/Manhunter perks are definitely what I am aiming for. Having said that, in the enslavement one you did reminds me one of my original thoughts upon seeing the pacify perk was "I can already see the rape mods."

By the way, how do you hide contents like that? I tried finding out how but to no avail. ._.

3 hours ago, ufdunker said:

Do you like sex reward too? i mean, give a selection that, NPC pay you by having sex with your character, if you have rank 3 lady_killer/man_hunter. Maybe put more selections in the beginning of the talk, or do can ask for sex reward after take the quest.(Seems it needs to build a FO3 talking UI)

 

I do think no sex animation(black screen) is ok too. Add more erotic dialogue but not just "it was so great" is good enough already.

 

Anyway, just want a better logic for it.

I'm all about having logic behind things! That's the point behind this theorised mod haha. It's all kinds of "realistic" (not too use the term too seriously) scenarios. Sex as a reward is an example of the type of "contextual sex" I refer to.

Making use of the Lady Killer/Manhunter perks is ideal, but I'm not sure yet if having the perk can result in unique dialogue (will need to wait for the mod tool to be certain). In this game its function serves only to increase the chances of persuasion of the opposite sex, unlike in previous games in which it granted unique dialogue options. As you say, using an FO3 style dialogue UI would be ideal for such things, but I have an idea on how to work with F4's. I believe there is a mod for F3's dialogue window, though. As for animations, I would make this mod intended for making use of them. A blackout screen would defeat the purpose for my intentions of the mod.

Overall, I desire a grounded, down-to-earth sex mod that focuses on context for the scene. Whether it's taking advantage of someone, using sex as a reward, or simply having sex with a lover. That is the type of erotic mod that appeals to me, and the kind of thing I like to see.

19 minutes ago, ritualclarity said:

Yes. Dialogue and quest markers etc. It is on Bethesda's site on how to do this. It shouldn't be difficult. Time consuming to learn and do but should be able to be done. Many start doing the very thing you are talking about. That and companions. (check the Nexus for the shear amount of Companions that have been created lol).

 

If you have Skyrim I would start creating some minor personal mods and quest markers and some simple dialogue changes to get the feel. I am of he understanding that FO4 is going to be very much like Skyrim game mechanics wise. It will take a few months to get the new CK for FO4 so you could start learning and practicing now to get off to a great start then.

Aha, yeah I've tried a few companion mods myself, I do enjoy new travelling companions - Vilja in particular is a favourite of mine.

Dude, I will do that though, I didn't even think to practice on the Skyrim tool, which makes a lot of sense since F4 uses the same engine - albeit upgraded. Thanks a lot for your advice! It is much appreciated. (:

5 minutes ago, ritualclarity said:

For mistakes like this they will notice it in time and move it. If you want you can Pm one of them to let them know you made a mistake.

 

Many come up with great ideas. However they rarely get done by the modders. The best thing is to start to learn and make little mods. There is lots of support for that here. I have been here a long time and those that were wiling to put forward some time manged to get some serious mods created. Many knew nothing. Some even posted in the wrong threads  when they started ;).

Aha, thanks man. ^^
I was thinking about it tbh. So long as I don't physically have to create something new for a mod, I think I could pull it off. I mean a mod like this is simply (I use the word loosely) a matter of creating dialogue scenarios and creating a course of action for each selected outcome - in this case, have the NPC move somewhere, make certain animations yet to be made play out after dialogue selection etc. I would definitely take the time to learn. But I still would like to see what other scenarios people would come out with. But there's a lot of the game for me to explore, I'm sure I'll come across a lot yet. I'll keep an eye on this in the meantime, and see what's happening when the mod tool for Fallout 4 is finally released.

26 minutes ago, ritualclarity said:

It would go where the Fallout 4 content would go. The Fallout 4 adult mods I would venture to guess. You are new. YOu will make mistakes. Let a moderator move the thread for you when they get the chance to. I don't think you need to or even should re-post there. It will make more work for them and more confusion for those that read your post (and possibly get inspired by your idea. )

I don't think that's an issue, I don't think many people have taken notice so far haha.

Thanks for replying, how do I contact moderators? I will learn the ways of this site eventually, I promise.

8 minutes ago, choppytehbear said:

Good ideas, but wrong section buddy.

Aw man. Could you direct me where to put it? I'm new to this. ><

Also, is there a way to actually move a post to another section or will I have to copy and paste it all again? (Which isn't a problem, just wondering.)

This is a discussion forum for ideas for an inevitable "contextual sex" mod. By that I refer to the mods that have, as the name implies, context to them - not "select npc and bang them" mods. Mods like the Fallout Quest Overhaul, or Skyrim's "Sexlab Solutions." Needless to say, this post will contain spoilers for questlines so you know, careful about that. I would love if modders who can perform these sorts of things took notice, especially if they like the idea, and would very much appreciate you coming forward and letting me know. This is just so we can get ideas in for when the modding tool is released and modders can get onto it. Otherwise, if you like the idea of this and know someone who could pull it off, then please let them know about this. I hope this continues to grow with ideas and be big enough for when the mod tool is released, so we can get it done asap. ;D

Some notes:

First: I like to consider the NPCs personality in mind, as in what they may be up for, if they'd be easily coerced etc. I prefer immersion with context. I state all of these from the vibes I personally get from the characters.

Secondly: It presents an opportunity to take advantage of Fallout 4's persuasion system. Depending on what act you want to perform (oral, vaginal or anal) then coercing/charming them into it can base those activities on persuasion level. For example, Yellow (easy) = blowjob. Orange (medium) = Vaginal. Red (difficult) = anal. This would be present in situations in which the player is trying to get sex out of an npc, whether generally or finding an alternate means of a reward for a job or such. Of course, if you're a female player and find yourself in a scenario where you'd use sex as a means of getting something, then the persuasion difficulty would likely be reverse. Yellow (easy) = "You can have my ass (generally speaking, the guys would be more up for this haha.) Orange (medium) = "You can take me." (Vaginal). Red (difficult) = "How about I blow you instead?"

Thirdly: As far as the player's dialogue goes, I feel there is probably enough recorded dialogue that you can probably find a line suggestive enough to fit with what they're suggesting. For example, (although at this point I can not think of a literal example) if the situation is that the player is demanding sex as a reward for something, there's probably already a recorded line for aggressively demanding a reward, so one could implement that as the line. As far as NPCs go, I suppose use whatever can be found among their audio dialogues but if not, then we'll have to settle for required subtitles over mute dialogue. I never minded this so much with the Fallout and Skyrim mods, so long as I could get behind the idea of the scenario playing.

Fourth...ly?: Before you read through these scenarios, I want to state that these are solely base ideas, I am looking for feedback on certain aspects as well as other opportunities. Some of what I write will be basic, as I leave the entirety of the context up to the modders, though I will input as much as possible.

Fifth: All new ideas that fit into the criteria of this proposed mod will be edited onto this list with full credit given to whomever suggested the idea.

Sixth: I write a lot of this from the perspective of a male PC. Mostly I will specify roles for female PCs where it would differ. Otherwise, assume all scenarios play out for both genders.

So, without further ado, I will list some "opportunities" for which the player may engage in fun activities.

First of all, some obvious ones:

-Sex with the player's spouse at the beginning of the game. Ideally, after confirming character, you can select your spouse and have the option to do it. They lead you to the bedroom and fun times happen. It should go without saying, but whilst this happens, it should halt the progress of the pre-war scene until it's over, so you don't get Codsworth approaching you about shit whilst you're doing it.

-Added scenes for your romance partners

-Added scene for Magnolia

Now onto potential opportunties throughout the wasteland.

Spoiler

 

-Trashcan Carla: The player's first encounter with her could present two ways this can go. The first one is, if successfully robbing her, then the player may aswell have the option to then rape her. After which she should turn completely hostile (thinking about immersion here, no way would she casually trade with the player after such an encounter). Alternatively, however, if you charm her, then I think you should be able to flirt a little and get her into it. The sarcastic line for the encounter has the player jokingly say something along the lines of "I'm just looking for a little loving." It cheers her up, and it feels like one could easily flirt further with her into it. In the consensual scene, I feel she'd be up for either riding the player, or the player taking her from behind doggy style (just the kinda vibes I get from her). Afterwards, at least once a day, the player should be able to ask to do it with her - with a 50/50 chance of whether or not she'll be up for it.

 

-Human Error: A classic example of "You owe me." So, pretty basic, after you free Amelia Stockton, the player may insist on "compensation." Honest Dan seems like a nice guy so he wouldn't be too keen on the idea. However, with a speech check you can convince him to "Let me have my due." Or, with a harder speech check, convince him to join on the fun, making it a threesome.

Alternatively, you may "bargain" with Doctor Chambers, so as not to let things get violent. She will take you someplace private and you can make arrangements. Perhaps after doing it with her you can still turn on her and free Amerlia anyway. And still get compensation from her afterward.

 

Trudy and Wolfgang: "I'll do it if you please me," basically. Siding with either character for sex. How I see it, player gender will determine chance here (again, the types of vibes I get from the characters). Wolfgang seems to me like a straight male, but otherwise one who may be coerced through a difficult speech check to "do you a favour" if you're a male character, to which he will reluctantly comply. As a female, it should require no speech check, as he seems like the guy who would jump straight on that opportunity. Pun not intended, but very welcome. As usual, the player would have a choice in which "style of favour" they want.

Trudy, on the other hand, would require orange difficulty to blow the player character, and red difficulty to fuck, but being as stern as she is, she'd likely only do the player the favour once they get rid of Wolfgang. Agreeing would play out the fight as per usual, with sex afterward. However - and again, this is my "character vibes" I get from npcs - she would outright turn down coercion attempts from a female PC, simply not being into that.

As for Simone, Wolfgang's bodyguard, I'm not sure. She's a sure as shit person, and I can't see any logical contextual situation in which she'd agree to sleep with the player. Any good ideas for this are more than welcome.

 

Science! Center: This is a smaller scale one. Doctor Duff is a little bit ditsy seeming, so I figure she can be easily fooled into a little something. After completing her little bloatfly quest, initiate some line about "furthering anatomy studies on humans" (I'm sure someone can come up with something clever). I can only see this resulting in oral sex (both giving and getting) and not a fucking, as I figure she's not stupid, just slightly out of it. Also, I don't know the situation for sure but Doctor Duff and Professor Scara seem couple-y to me. If anyone can confirm this, or correct my mistake, then please do, but I figure this presents an opportunity for a female PC to engage in a lesbian threesome. Woohoo.

 

Myra: A favourite scenario of mine I came up with, because this woman is so damn hot. Upon being pestered about possibly being a synth, you can suggestively tell her "Oh, I can prove I'm not a synth." I figure orange difficulty speech because, whilst I don't want her to be easy, I feel like her paranoia will edge her to agree easier than normal. In this case, she would take the player to her home in which they engage in sexual activity. This would go through the whole lot, from oral to vaginal - and anal if persuaded beforehand into it (something like "I'll penetrate all your holes like only a true human could," or some shit). Either way, it would end with her finishing the player off with oral sex, as her "final proof you're truly human" will be the player's cum.

 

Settlers: Okay so, a few scenarios for this one.

First, random settlers on the road in trouble: My first encounter of such a situation was a woman under attack from raiders. After saving her and asking if she needed a place to settle, my first thought was "There's definitely a sex opportunity here." It would run as such: "I can provide you a safe place, if you do something for me." Then, it proceeds to the standard difficulties of persuasion based on the favour you're seeking.

Second, settlers in trouble on settlement: This one would give you choice of NPC. After you defend your settlement, walking up to any of the settlers will trigger their "thank you" lines. After you pick one of the standard four lines, a second dialogue selection should come up with either a "You can thank me in a more intimate way" or simply "Goodbye" if you don't wish to engage in it. The sex option will be a standard dialogue, with a 50/50 chance they'll agree. If they disagree, you can either accept to leave them be, or you may charm or threaten them into it.

That's all I can think of for now for general settlers. More ideas, of course, welcome.

Right, I hope you enjoy these basic ideas I have for now, and I hope to see lots more potential scenarios from people! I also hope I did the spoiler thing right, as this is my first post on here.

Addendum: It should go without saying, but when suggesting quest related ideas, especially those of the main story, please specify beforehand what quest it is, and how heavy a spoiler it may be. Thank you.