The Alternate Ending

[elalquimista]

I was wondering if anybody would be interested in making an alternate ending for Oblivion

I never liked the fact that Martin Septim has to die at the end of the main quest, and you don't even get to either become emperor yourself or know who was named after him

He was a good guy and he has to die every time you finish the main quest

 

What if there was a way of saving him?

 

It wouldn't even need to be lore-breaking... as stated in the mythology of the game, only a Daedric Prince can kill another

And making memory... Isn't that what Shivering Isles does? It gives you a quest so that your character can become Sheogorath, Prince of Madness... I say bring it on Dagon!

 

 

For now the concept is only what I choose to believe to be my alternative end of choice to the story but there are no actual mods that do this

 

The actual quest could be dependent on SI, if you finished the main SI quest, then you are by definition a Daedric prince and have the actual power to fight and kill that red dude, IC temple district remains the same and Martin Septim gets to live and be your friendly neighborhood emperor after all... and they all live happily ever after

 

Not so much trouble is it?

 

I know nothing of building quests this is why I put this as a mod request... sorta... I know Dagon has no death animation but maybe disappearing onto a mist and sound effects could do the trick? I even think I could do the animation myself if necessary, but about quests Im nothing...

 

Any other person interested?

[Guest ThatOne]

Well, I'm not personally interested in it, but I can help you if you'd like.

It isn't that difficult once you get the basics - just don't expect complex AI, because Oblivion simply cannot manage that.

[junkacc]

With no Septim on the throne, it is the end of the Third Era:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGyw_0IG5s0

 

 

A power vacuum with political in-fighting centered around the council would also be lore friendly.

 

From http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Elder_Council

 

 

 

The Stormcrown Interregnum

Following the Oblivion Crisis, the Elder Council could not find a suitable heir to the throne, and so High Chancellor Ocato of Firsthold reluctantly agreed to become Potentate.^[3] His assassination in 4E 10 led to the Stormcrown Interregnum.^[13] The Elder Council fractured, leading to years of ruthless in-fighting, plots and backstabbing. Many tried to claim the Ruby Throne. Violent, unnatural storms reportedly lashed the Imperial City several times during this anarchy, always with the eye of the storm looking directly down upon White Gold Tower.^[3] This chaos did not end until the Colovian ruler Titus Mede captured the Imperial City and seized the crown in 4E 17.^[13]

 

 

 

[elalquimista]

Well I would try to do it myself as NO ONE EVER DOES MODDING REQUESTS FOR ANYONE 

Good lord this community needs a little more solidarity in such matters...

 

And that can't be turned against me because I've made selfless actions sometimes and helped others in making things for them getting nothing in return...

 

As this is a little rant moment and yes I'm complaining about the lack of solidarity here... I hardly expect my rant will be heard so I have to throw the towel here...

 

I would try to do it myself accepting ThatOne's help... but I don't know the first thing about modding quests and scripting and stuff...

 

Nice try "me"...

[demonfiren]

Love to help you, got no fracking idea how.

[Guest ThatOne]

Well, actually...

 

I've made several things on request. From animations (animation 107 in LAPF) to mods (CTAddPose_Merged) to mod edits (Lovers Stripper and the body resizing mod), technical issue support etc etc. I've also created a lot of content and shared it of my own volition; animations, mostly.

 

I've not received anything "in return". I have requested on only four occasions (if my memory serves me), and was answered on two. I am, of course, grateful to the people who fulfilled my requests - but I never expected it, nor have I begrudged those who refused my requests.

 

So, please, tell me what you want me to do - without fanfare, and without rants.

[Emily]

and, of course

You should provide an the alternate ending movie with BINK tool.

Just saying.

[elalquimista]

I realize it sounded like I was asking for something in return... but that's not the case, I was merely complaining about a social situation as this has been the case every single time I've seen me or someone else asking for help... But even if I never get something in return, I'll continue to help others and do stuff because that's my call... even if I don't like not getting anything.

 

Now on this case If you offer your help that would be really really great and really really appreciated

I'd also feel really bad if this is too complicated since I wouldn't like to take too much of anyone else's time and energy... if that's the case then it's a bit unfair to ask for too much, and I wouldn't like that either. But I don't think it's the case here.

 

***

 

Now onto the request, it would mean some quest editions and sadly I know nothing about doing it.

For starters it would have to be hopefully, a simple project, no major changes to any AI, and hopefully leave things as vanilla as they can be.

The main alterations would have to be:

-Something that places a check mark if you completed Shivering Isles main quest (I'm sure it has to be, since all the dialogue in SI changes after you become Sheogorath so there has to be a trigger for it right?)

-If you did so, the game considers you "a Daedric Prince" I mean... you're the new Sheogorath am I correct?

-That means you can kill Dagon at the end of the main quest in Oblivion (I could try to make a death animation, after some research... I've made animations before, but I'm not quite sure what would a successful death animation require... or perhaps it could be simpler to kill him though some "smoke and mirrors" effect where big flashy things, and explosions and thunders appear while Dagon well... disappears)

-Maybe the "kill Dagon" path is accessible though a special dialogue where something happens like... I dunno, maybe Martin uses the Amulet of Kings for something like giving you a buff or weakening Dagon, perhaps some random invention about increasing your power in Tamriel temporarily since you're supposed to only have the full power of Sheogorath when being on SI.

-If you kill Dagon yourself, Martin Septim does not have to die, instead he gets to be emperor and you can speak to him as he becomes later just another roaming NPC in Tamriel like counts and countesses always living their daily boring lives but you can always talk to them.

-IC Temple District does not change after finishing the main quest, so the Temple is not destroyed and the Avatar of Akatosh is not petrified inside of it

-Now hopefully after the battle, disabling or not activating any dialogue option for NPC that could imply the emperor died

 

That's pretty much it...

I could get greedy with things like:

-A crowning ceremony

-I'd wish for a way of having a final killing blow animation like the one on the screenshot from the OP... but I doubt it can be done, so just bashing Dagon's feet should have to suffice

-Perhaps an extra addition where instead of killing Dagon on Tamriel, you have to push him back to a plane of Oblivion designed as a final battle arena and kill him there

 

But that could be to much so that's not necessary...

 

This is the whole idea, now it you really want to help...     

[gregathit]

The lack of folks doing requests is complete Bullshit.  Sorry to be fucking blunt, but that deserves to be buried six feet under, quick, fast and in a hurry.  I can't honestly count the number of things I have done and hoops I have jumped through to help folks.  I can't count them because it is a freaking shit load.  And that is JUST ME.  WappyOne, Ichabod, Fejeena, Iron_Jack, JSmith20142, ThatOne, Thorazine, Ark of Truth, Movomo, Kasimir, Northern, Nusbie, Grumpf, Poontank, Gerra6, D_ManXX2, Mailamea, Nightwynd, Ploms and a fuck ton of others have not only done requests, they have spent time helping others figure out how to do things on their own.  The number of hours that the above names have dedicated to modding and helping folks is astronomical and NOTHING WAS EVER GIVEN BACK.....besides the occasional thank you.  That is fine, because none of us do this for back pats or anything else.  We do it because we love the community and because we enjoy modding\helping folks.

 

I am not picking on you personally, but I am sick to fucking death of folks blathering that no one helps anyone or that no one does requests.  Not all requests will get made, that is nothing more than fucking life.  None of us gets everything we want in life, so why should anyone suddenly expect modding to be any different.  It never ceases to baffle the ever living fuck out of me.  Regardless of what folks write when they complain about unfilled requests in general, what I hear them saying "whoa is me, cause MY request didn't get filled".  

 

The reason I even posted this counter rant is not because I am some pissy gloryhound who's fragile feelings are hurt.  Anyone who knows me knows I like things (including criticism) dealt out bluntly.  The reason I am writing this is general rants about the lack of filled requests are a slap in the face to everyone who puts in a shit load of time making the really cool shit that we all enjoy (well I enjoy it anyways - hell, much of the reason I hang around here is because it seems like every other day someone does something cool here).  This is a vibrant, active and VERY helpful community.  If you think otherwise, then you damn sure have not been around other forums.  

 

I have no problem with someone who is irked because their particular request isn't going to get filled.  However, general broad based jabs at the community at large IS something that pisses me off.  That is just being plain ungrateful.

 

Again, my rant is not directed at elalquimista!  This rant has been a long time coming from me, as I see more and more folks bitch about things.  Most of those bitching haven't done jack shit for anyone else, so why the fuck should someone do anything for them? Elalquimista, obviously is not one of those folks, so again, for the record, this post is not directed at him.  It is a general counter rant that is in response to a number of posts of late that have been slowly making me upset.

 

Keep on modding folks and try to understand that filling a request is often  more work than you can ever realize.  If someone doesn't do it, then it is because their interests lie in a different direction.  

 

 

[Guest ThatOne]

Basic list:

1. Yeah, when you become Sheogorath it sets several things (quest stage, faction rank).

2. Technically, yes.

3. According to the lore, yes, you should be able to kill Dagon.

4. Remember that tamriel isn't Oblivion, so Dagon doesn't have his full powers either. Killing dagon will involve some particle effects, or perhaps a re-use of Oblivion assets. Nothing I can't handle.

5. Basic AI. Nothing special.

6. Change a variable. Not at all difficult.

7. Again, variable change, nothing major.

Conclusion: It will take a few hours, but it's all basic stuff.

 

Greed list:

1. AI, animations, possibly a crown model. A real pain.

2. Basically duplicating the CLS animation system (empty mesh equip, PC copy that does the animation in a "cinematic"), create full animation from NaRae's pose. Also quite a pain.

Conclusion: I suggest against the two items on the greed list. Unless you want to spend several hours for each (probably over ten).

 

As I said at the beginning, I haven't the slightest interest in such a mod. I am willing to create it for you, but riddle me this: wouldn't it be better for you to know how to create quests and scripts, so that you'll be able to do so if you ever want something else done (or to edit an existing mod)?

 

Hopefully, this will give you a better idea of what you're getting into\asking for.

[elalquimista]

*Passionate Rant

Wow that seems to have been there for a long time 

Anyway I'll take your word for it as you've been longer and more immersed on this.

For the record, I wasn't saying nobody "helps" on the wide meaning of the word, I've seen a lot of friendly hands when it comes to modding, and I've learnt a lot of good people here at LL. But I've seen a lot of things end up in nothing when someone makes requests... Perhaps I've been missing a few things and requests come to good end more often than I ended up believing.

 

As I said at the beginning, I haven't the slightest interest in such a mod. I am willing to create it for you, but riddle me this: wouldn't it be better for you to know how to create quests and scripts, so that you'll be able to do so if you ever want something else done (or to edit an existing mod)?

 

Hopefully, this will give you a better idea of what you're getting into\asking for.

 

Of course I'd like to someday know how to do this myself... create quests and build land... but my problem now is time.

Explaining in detail:

-First I'm sure most people have a life to attend to so that's a point in common with everyone else... life takes time and you can't be modding in that time.

-Second I have currently 3 main modding ongoing projects, two of them large as hell itself including the one discussed at the "Neck Seam" thread (just waiting to see if Junkacc releases his special files), one for armor and clothing replacement for everything (I was doing that one just now, working on elven armor) and an ultra secret project which includes clothing designed after Luis Royo's artwork including these drawings:

I'm actually stuck on the textures but the main meshes are all finished

-Third, as much as I'd like to learn, I want to see the day soon that my projects are finished, and learning at this point to do new stuff will take even more time and effort since I'd probably have to start from doing all those beginner tutorials one by one until I master the necessary skills and honestly I don't feel like I have time for it right now... one day, maybe, but not now

-Fourth, after all this modding, considering I'm in this for hobby and not profession so I probably have less skills than many people here, I actually want to have some time left for actually playing and enjoying my modded game which I hardly get

 

These are my humble reasons to request instead of do... 

[gregathit]

One look at the download section and all the improvements that have and continue to be made is more than sufficient to see that stuff is getting done around here.  An not just a little bit.  Oblivion is how old and it is still getting a shit load of action on its sex mod.  That doesn't even begin to count the outfits being made.  Hell, Nessa just released a massive amount of work recently.  Is that count for nothing?  

 

As to requests not getting done.......come on!  Stop and read what you wrote:

 

... but my problem now is time.

Explaining in detail:

-First I'm sure most people have a life to attend to so that's a point in common with everyone else... life takes time and you can't be modding in that time.

-Second I have currently 3 main modding ongoing projects..........

 

So it is not ok for you to spend the time, but it IS ok for you to expect someone else to sacrifice it?  That attitude and wacky expectation is EXACTLY what pisses me off.  How can anyone honestly ask someone else to give up a shitload of their personal time when they are unwilling to spend any themselves?  That is the sort of backward logic that just makes my head start spinning around.  I can't fathom it....it does not compute.....head explodes......brains splatter on wall......

 

You are aware that modders pretty much are all in the same boat as you right?  They all have multiple projects they are working on.  There are no modders sitting on the bench begging for the coach to put them in the game.  

 

A mustard seed of common sense is all it takes to realize that if a modder isn't interested in something, then most likely they are not going to be willing to spend their precious free time to make and fulfill the request.  Then it becomes a function of how bad do you want it, and what are you willing to do to make it happen.  If you do take up the gauntlet of making your dream happen, a beautiful thing happens..........a modder is born.  

 

No one here mods as a profession so let's just knock that nonsense off right now.  Folks learn what they want based on what level of desire they have.  The amount of time you have to invest is up to you and no one else.  Put in what you are comfortable with, but don't judge others, especially when they won't do what you are unwilling to.  We all have a real life.  Saying otherwise just insults everyone here.  That gains nothing.  

 

Feel free to request anything you want, I have no problem with that.  I have a shit load of things I would love to see same as anyone.  

 

I have said my piece and will bow out.  Feel free to disagree or even dispute what I wrote.  I am not spoiling for a fight but when the community is insulted or implied to be hostile that just irks me a touch.

 

Peace and love to all, and to all a good night.

[Guest ThatOne]

Pretty much what Gregathit said...

 

If you don't have the five to seven hours required to learn the CSE and make the mod, pardon me if I give it a pass.

I'll still help if you want to learn, but no, I won't do it for you if all that's stopping you is time.

[elalquimista]

So it is not ok for you to spend the time, but it IS ok for you to expect someone else to sacrifice it?  That attitude and wacky expectation is EXACTLY what pisses me off.  How can anyone honestly ask someone else to give up a shitload of their personal time when they are unwilling to spend any themselves?  That is the sort of backward logic that just makes my head start spinning around.  I can't fathom it....it does not compute.....head explodes......brains splatter on wall......

 

Now what I said about requesting someone else's time:

I'd also feel really bad if this is too complicated since I wouldn't like to take too much of anyone else's time and energy... if that's the case then it's a bit unfair to ask for too much, and I wouldn't like that either. But I don't think it's the case here.

 

At least I think I'm not being one of these assholes you mention that only demand and give nothing, I try really hard to contribute too... but I get the point and why you're so pissed.

[elalquimista]

Pretty much what Gregathit said...

 

If you don't have the five to seven hours required to learn the CSE and make the mod, pardon me if I give it a pass.

I'll still help if you want to learn, but no, I won't do it for you if all that's stopping you is time.

 

See my point?

Another request not getting done... 

You said It would take you a few hours to make the mod... how much could it take me to learn from absolutely nothing and begin even attempting preliminary tests to make it happen? That's considering I dont have the slightest idea where to even begin searching for what is needed

It's just a matter of help... reasons for helping do not matter, it just is, reasons for not doing so can be infinite

 

I was trying to believe the words saying requests get granted but this happens yet again

 

Well I guess it's over then... 

Another modding idea shattered to pieces

 

Even though I'm a guy, sometimes I have girly feelings. And this is hurting mine even when a man's not supposed to care and be blunt and aggro cause life's just a big bottle of beer... well screw it. I get emotional some times and now I'm feeling sad... I got hope then it was destroyed... well, that sucks... that really sucks

Onto other things then. Moving on... Maybe get a drink

[Guest ThatOne]

Look, I tried subtlety, but I see it isn't going anywhere. So, I'll be blunt.

 

If the words "five to seven hours" are all it takes to dissuade you from pursuing this idea, it's simply not important enough for you. It's not dead because I won't do it, it's dead because you don't care about it enough to keep it alive - by, let's say, writing it down and getting back to it later, after your major modding projects are done.

 

So, please forgive me if I don't cry about the modding idea that's been shattered to pieces, or your growing disbelief of modding requests being fulfilled.

 

And, no, this isn't my job. I don't owe you anything. I'm not more skilled or qualified than you. I wasn't born with some innate talent. I am just more willing to learn new things than you, and when I want something I make sure to clear the time to do it.

The two times I requested something and was refused, I took the time to learn how to do it myself.

 

That's the last post in this topic from me.

ThatOne out.

[elalquimista]

Everybody loves giving the speech to "do it yourself" or "learn how to fish". I get it... and that applies correct most of the times, I've even given it myself some times.

But this time I failed to mention the real reason why I was not willing to try myself. I realize it now that I've given some though: Energy

I thought it was time but I've been so tired that I simply do not have the energy right now to start the complex endeavor of first searching though a million tutorials to find the one I'm gonna follow first and then the next one.

 

Pardon me if I'm worse than all of you for feeling tired, but I just don't feel capable right now. Some people can some people can't. They say you gotta know your limitations

 

You're right to one part. Putting things in the balance, it's not more important than my lack of energy right now. It's still in my head so I don't know If I'll ever do it. Maybe yes. Maybe not

 

You know what else gets me tired? The hostility in the internet. I mean LL had to close the "politics" section because people were always at each other's throats. Everybody here is a mirror. And people tend to attack everybody just because they feel attacked. Every word you use is used against you. Well I want to be different. I say a lot of things and sometimes it can be interpreted as an attack, but I don't like violence and confrontation. Every word I mean I mean it in peace. I'm sorry if I ever did say something to upset anyone, it was not my intention. Given the right reasonable argument, I prefer to take it back instead of fighting. But the bad part is I always get to pay the price even when I didn't meant bad. It's likely you can't be a peaceful person, you always have to be on war stand prepared to destroy everybody else... maybe that's the way it has to be. Maybe that's the only way of surviving these days.

 

I mention this because even when no direct attacks were made here, I'm still getting a vibe of hostility just because my words at the beginning resembled something asshole-ish and I've clarified I never meant ill. I feel like I was doing a desperate cry for help and I get "bluntness" and angry lectures instead that should not touch me because I know very well the reasons why I'm not one of the assholes you were directing attacks to, the ones that only demand and give nothing in return without even being grateful... I know that and I don't identify with them. But I'm not sure if you two see that

I'm just sick of hostility in general... not just the internet... everywhere in the world people just fight like animals for shit they don't even care

 

This is way off topic

But even after the bad moment I'll try to take the best of it and I wont bury this because MAYBE.. one day I can make it

 

This all started because I was asking for help. Helping can be good for the helping person, I know this because I try to be consequent and I like to help sometimes when I feel capable and have the skill to do so. It's a good feeling to help. That's why I've done it on some occasions. And's that's also why I felt with the right to ask a request, because I have contributed too, so I'm not just a demanding ungrateful asshole, I'm a person who actually tries to live up to higher standards of humanity. But I sometimes forget that not everyone shares the same standards and many people have others, and I'm no one to question them for that...

 

So unless someone else cares to help

I'll just go back to my other projects

This is also my last post here

 

Peace and out

[Loogie]

Everybody loves giving the speech to "do it yourself" or "learn how to fish". I get it... and that applies correct most of the times, I've even given it myself some times.

But this time I failed to mention the real reason why I was not willing to try myself. I realize it now that I've given some though: Energy

I thought it was time but I've been so tired that I simply do not have the energy right now to start the complex endeavor of first searching though a million tutorials to find the one I'm gonna follow first and then the next one.

 

Everybody who started out modding did through tutorials and asking.

 

The reason most mod requests are not fulfilled is making mods takes a REALLY long time. Three simple bugfixes could eat about 4 hours of someone's life.  Modders are typically involved in their own projects and don't have time for them on top of fulltime jobs, let alone helping make mods they don't personally care about.

[Teechan]

Maybe you can find ways to overlap what you're learning and doing. Or make a screenshot comic out of what you'd like to achieve with an alternate endgame scenario?

 

I noticed that large scale mods get started when two or more people share similar goals in modding and can work well together. And not starting fires. There's the scripting end of things, of course, but also the writing of the story and the dialogue, and overcoming animation roadblocks. Dagon was only created to appear in two instances: When he's swinging an axe before you enter the temple, and the combined nif sequence where he's battling Akatosh. The reason you don't see too much of him in mods is that he's missing a LOT of animation files, since he was created for that one purpose. People have tried to create a properly moving Dagon, but in Oblivion's modding history, I don't think anyone has found a way yet. Not to discourage you, of course - I want to use him for my Oblivion machinima some day (which eventually talks about what happens after Martin/Akatosh defeats Dagon), and give him a head that can utilize facial animations, and speak - but I'm not at the point to start fooling around with that part yet and have my work cut out for me.  I figured if people have found a way to add wings and penis and boobie bones to a humanoid skeleton.nif, I could find a way to add Dagon's second set of arms to it. Again, there are probably roadblocks. Any fight with him may have to be faked by doing a CLS like cutscene: freeze the player, make a copy, restrain them, and create a long idle animation "fight sequence" between Dagon and the player's copy. Using the player as a camera, move the player around to different XMarkers.

 

Now that I think about it, I wouldn't mind at least talking about a project like this, but not sure when I can start investigating those other things. (Right now I'm pushing to release another episode and I need to recast a new VO to play Martin Septim. And work..And classes. lol.)

[JSmith20142]

A bit late to the party, but I'd just like to add that the 'hostility' you've detected doesn't really exist - it's more exasperation that you don't understand what you're asking for.

 

A minor change to a mod equals maybe a few hours work - but testing the change will take longer than the coding. I will/have offered to do some things on this scale.

 

A major change to a mod - maybe a week or two, given that these are part-time unpaid enterprises, and given that the person making the changes has a good understanding of how the thing works. Testing even longer, but fortunately we're pretty well off for volunteer testers. As I am currently finding out (well, I did know already), RL has a way of trampling on these schedules.

 

The sort of thing you're talking about? Months, done properly. The usual rule is that the last 10% of the work, the 'polishing', tales 90% of the time. If you can get a team of blender guru, animator and coder on board and committed to the project, that'll work. If you're expecting anyone with no real interest to volunteer that sort of time, well, good luck with that.

 

[elalquimista]

As those last post are not hostile, I will reply 

 

This idea is currently frozen since I don't feel capable of doing it right now

I theorized that it would be relatively simple to do because it's not so much change after all... according to what I could extract from everything said, it is simple

 

It's not such a major change after all, it's a small mod causing a major change

For the killing part, you can "fight" Dagon in the original vanilla design, he actually stumbles if you do enough damage

That same way, but instead you can kill it, that's the thought. No major cinematics, no new special effects, no new combat animations, just hit it and kill it

Then the only problem was the death animation. I offered myself to do that in Blender if I could find out what else is needed... I have made animations before and I know my way around Blender. But the lazy idea was instead to make it disappear on smoke and explosions... all of this I believe is possible with vanilla resources

 

As for the testing, I don't know what could be so complicated, there are a few console commands that take you right down to the quest you want. "setstage *quest ID *XX" all quest ID's are on the Wiki.

As things are not supposed to be major alterations to vanilla content there's a wider frame of safety when testing results... in theory...

For example creating a new clothing or armor mod is one of the safest things to do. It is rarely needed any period of trial unless it contains special scripts

 

As for volunteers... Hello here!!!

 

But  even saying this, is meaningless because this is frozen as the planes of Skyrim 

Until either someone decides to help or time has passed and I develop some skills, will and desire to do this myself... thing I do not see in closest future.

[kyubey]

It's a bit tougher than just smacking Dagon to death. In vanilla Oblivion it was actually possible to kill him (oddly enough, using the Wabbajack) but Dagon doesn't actually have any death data so he just collapses into a giant puddle resembling BBB with the wrong skeleton, and keeps attacking anyway.

 

So really you'd have to do some sort of scripted battle of some sort. Maybe slip the player a spell that drags Dagon into an SI-style pocket plane, and then do whatever until he disappears into a pillar of fire and the player is dropped back in the city?

[sroro]

Reminds me of a fanfic I read a long time ago. If anyone takes this up seriously they could take a look at the scripting in SI events or thievery in the imperial city mod for some script how-to ideas I guess. I personally love the horrible ending of oblivion, sort of stands out among all the other happy fantasy games, but I can get why you'd want to change the ending since what happens to the near only half-decent character.

[elalquimista]

Yeap

That's exactly it

Call me old fashioned but I like endings like they used to be

 

"You've come all the way to the end, you've gathered powerful spells and grown stronger for this moment, you've leveled up and learnt about combat and tactics, you've killed thousands of enemies and made a pretty big name for yourself, you're ready and eager to face the final foe, and now you stand at the gates of doom for one last battle...

There's no going back now, no back up, no one to save your sorry ass if you fail... this is the point of no return

It's you vs the bad guys here

And sure as hell you're gonna to send their behinds in a ride to oblivion in a most epic way. You're not gonna let them get away with it.

They want to bring hell to the world? I say let's bring hell to them!

They're gonna be sorry they even tried to fuck with you

FOR THE EMPEROOOR!!!"

*charges screaming like a lunatic while wielding a big blade in the hand

 

How's that for a final battle speech? XD

 

Instead you get to sit down eating pop corn while some cinematic plays and some fire dragon beats the enemy for you and there's nothing you can do to help... just watch

What happened to the old fashioned boss fight? Where is the challenging battle and the satisfaction it comes when beating the final boss?... I felt like a "WTF" moment. I felt robbed of all that there, so yeah... I had my reasons 

 

I haven't played Skyrim yet to the end... just hope the ending is a little better at least