Yet Another Problem with Animations

[TheOtherGuy]

So, my dragonborn of level 11 comes back to whiterun to get a little bit of R&R from the Bannered Mare after a couple days of trying not to die from quest dungeons. So, using Radiant Prostitution, she goes on call with Hulda and finds her first customer for the night. The two head up to her rented room aaaaaaand. Nothing. I press the dialogue option to initiate the sex, but both actors just stand there, clothes on. I talk to the customer again and apparently I'm already asking for the money.

 

So I went through the troubleshooting steps. Cleaning & Reseting Sexlab didn't do anything. Everything is updated. So, I saw there was a problem with NMM and a readme option. So I reinstalled Sexlab and all its addons with the buggy option unchecked. I ran BOSS which didn't do anything with the sexlab addons, so I went into Wrye Bash and set them above the bash patch. Closing that, I went into FNIS and ran GenerateForUsers. Oddly enough, there were no errors, yet when I use the 'Consistency Check' there's no feedback but an empty newline. Going back in game, I try again. Lo and behold, the animations worked. Once. And it was so horribly misaligned that I pressed the ] key to realign the scene and my character went to the opposite side of the inn than where the scene was taking place. So, I went into MCM sexlab and stopped all animations. Then a new animation started and I stopped that too. Then I reloaded, trying to see if I did something wrong or if I should try manually realigning the characters with the other keys.

 

However, the animations no longer worked. Again. I tried to save, quit skyrim, reload. Nothing worked. Please help me.

 

The below Papyrus log is of my last effort. All it is, is me starting Skyrim, loading the last save game, pressing the dialogue option to start the sex act, not having sex, then quitting the game (without saving) after seeing I'm trying to collect the money.

 

And my load order. It's pretty stable save for random, unreproduceable crashes caused by papyrus memory dumps.

00  Skyrim.esm

01  Update.esm

02  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0a]

03  Dawnguard.esm

04  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0b]

05  HearthFires.esm

06  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

07  Dragonborn.esm

08  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

09  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

0A  SPIKE.esm

0B  ZaZAnimationPack.esm

0C  Devious Devices - Assets.esm  [Version 2.0.]

0D  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.24]

0E  SexLabAroused.esm

0F  HentaiPregnancy.esm

10  Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]

11  Chesko_Frostfall.esp

12  SplashofRain.esp

13  AOS.esp

14  ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

15  Thundering Shouts.esp

16  mintylightningmod.esp

17  MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp

18  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

19  StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

1A  StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

1B  TradeBarter.esp

1C  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 1.00]

1D  Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

1E  CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp

1F  Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

20  daymoyl.esp

21  Dual Sheath Redux.esp

22  Hunterborn.esp

23  Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

24  Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp

25  MF_RadiantProstitution.esp

26  MF_SpectatorCrowds.esp

27  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.1.3]

28  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.1.3]

29  WetandCold.esp

2A  WetandCold - Ashes.esp

2B  DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

2C  Footprints.esp

2D  Footprints - Ash.esp

2E  RaceMenu.esp

2F  RaceMenuPlugin.esp

30  RaceMenuOverlays.esp

31  SkyUI.esp

32  iHUD.esp

33  AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

34  BoundArmors.esp

35  Cloaks.esp

36  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

37  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]

38  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 2.3]

39  DragonbornArmorFix.esp

3A  hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

3B  Immersive Weapons.esp

3C  Remodeled Armor.esp

3D  Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp

3E  Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp

3F  Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp

40  TGLNordArmor.esp

41  Dr_Bandolier.esp

42  BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp  [Version 4.0]

43  BandolierForNPCsWIC_V2.esp

44  BandolierForNPCsCheaperBandoliers_BalancedWeight.esp

45  HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp  [Version 2.0]

46  HarvestOverhaulSalmonRoe.esp

47  HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfireDragonborn.esp

48  DeadlyDragons.esp

49  SkyRe_Main.esp

4A  SkyRe_Combat.esp

4B  SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp

4C  SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

4D  SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp

4E  SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp

4F  SkyRe_HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonbornPatch.esp

50  SkyRe_Survivalism.esp

51  SkyRe_hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

52  SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp  [Version v6.1.2]

53  AngrimApprentice.esp

54  Inconsequential NPCs.esp

55  JobsofSkyrim.esp

56  Northern Bathhouses.esp

57  morerealisticcarrying.esp

58  Weighted Items.esp

59  AchieveThat.esp

5A  AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp

5B  Arachnophobia.esp

5C  ArchmageTolfdir.esp

5D  Babette.esp

5E  BetterQuestObjectives.esp

----> Delinquent MASTER: Book Covers Skyrim.esp

5F  BetterQuestObjectives-SkyRePatch.esp

60  BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp

61  Book Covers Skyrim.esp

62  Book Covers Dawnguard.esp

63  Book Covers Hearthfire.esp

64  Book Covers Dragonborn.esp

65  Civil War Overhaul.esp

66  Distant Detail.esp

67  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

68  Headtracking.esp

69  LaFemmeLycana.esp

6A  Rebirth Monster.esp

6B  Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp

6C  HPSoulGemBirth.esp

6D  SkyFalls - Distant Waterfall Overhaul.esp

6E  Convenient Horses.esp

6F  TheChoiceIsYours.esp

70  TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp

71  BetterQuestObjectives-TheChoiceIsYoursPatch.esp

72  TimingIsEverything.esp

73  torches for realistic lighting.esp

74  TwoRings.esp

75  xazPrisonOverhaul.esp

76  aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

77  icefloes.esp

78  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

79  ELFX - Exteriors.esp

7A  ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

7B  ELFX - Dragonborn.esp

7C  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp

7D  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp

7E  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

7F  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp

80  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

81  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

82  AOS_CoT 3.1 compatibility patch.esp

83  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp

84  ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp

85  ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-8.esp

86  ELFXEnhancer.esp

87  PrivateNeeds.esp

88  PrivateNeeds-Sexlab.esp

89  SkyRealism - Time and Travel.esp  [Version 1.2.]

8A  Predator Vision.esp

8B  Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp

8C  ESFCompanions.esp  [Version 0.3.2]

8D  BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightPatch.esp

8E  Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

8F  DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

90  dovahkiinrelax.esp

91  Startingspells begone.esp

92  ImprovedSneakDetection.esp

93  NoSneakAttackSound.esp

94  DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp

95  The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

96  ReadAndLearnSpeechcraft.esp

97  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp

98  SGHairPack06.esp

99  SGHairPack04.esp

9A  SGHairPack01.esp

9B  SGHairPack03.esp

9C  SGHairPack05.esp

9D  SGHairPack02.esp

9E  TheEyesOfBeauty.esp  [Version 8]

9F  BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp

A0  BS-TheHag_WarPaints.esp

A1  3DNPC.esp

A2  RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

A3  RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

A4  RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

A5  RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

A6  Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp

A7  PrivateNeeds-RND.esp

A8  RND_USKP-Patch.esp

A9  Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

AA  Follower Trap Safety.esp

AB  moveitLWT.esp

AC  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp

AD  CharGen ECE Morphs.esp

AE  TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp

AF  LoversComfort.esp

B0  LoversHook.esp

B1  SexLab Submit.esp

B2  SexLab Solutions.esp

B3  SexLab Dangerously Nude.esp

B4  SexLab RND.esp

B5  SexLabMatchMaker.esp  [Version 5]

B6  SexLabUtil1.esp

B7  Remove Recurring Messages.esp

B8  No More Glowing Edges.esp

B9  RealisticWaterTwo.esp

BA  RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

BB  SeeYouSleepByMadmole.esp

BC  Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp

BD  Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp

BE  Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp

BF  Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp

C0  warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp

C1  Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp

C2  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

C3  Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

C4  ReProccer.esp

C5  ReProccerNONPLAYERfix.esp

C6  ReProccerDragonborn.esp

C7  MoonlightTalesLaFemmeLycana20Update.esp

 

 

Papyrus.0.zip

[Lother]

Probably script lag, looking at your mod list. You have Convenient Horses, it has a tool you can activate in its mcm menu to check your script latency... If your average latency is over 50ms sexlab 1.24 is unlikely to work in most situations. Get rid of sexlab 1.24 and update to the lastest development version, it works perfectly 99% of the times.

[TheOtherGuy]

Thanks for the help. I used the tool and had between 100ms and 120ms just standing still with 250ms-270ms with attempting a sex scene. I went ahead and updated the sexlab framework to 1.29b and loaded using the save that had the cleaned sexlab. Using the convenient horses tool again, I went down to having between 60ms and 90ms idling and between 80ms and 110ms when attempting a sex scene. However, I think Radiant Prostitution broke with the new SL. Using RP sex scenes are unreliable and can have nothing happen like before or have the other participant walk away instead of just standing there, or have us both jump and turn invisible and stuck, or have us both turn invisible and have invisible sex. (I waited until sexlab said everything was updated). When jumping and turning invisible with nothing happening, my camera then crashes to the floor where I can wander around the tavern, cast spells and shoot arrows. Melee is ineffective.

 

HOWEVER, using matchmaker, sex scenes seem to now work 100% of the time (Haven't tested most sex scenes though). If this is any sort of foreshadowing, then perhaps the addons not made by Ashal may be broken until updated. Which kinda sucks but I'll get by.

 

Oh, and before the update, matchmaker wouldn't even work. So thanks a bunch.

[Lother]

Well its true I'm experiencing some 'jumps' with some mods, like some animations arent triggering. Make youre you have enabled 'pre-sex foreplay' in sexlab, I experienced less 'jump' issues with that. Most of the mods are working fine for me (which is more than I can say of sexlab 1.24), but probably we'll have to deal with some uncompatibilities until sexlab 1.30 (official release). Mods that I currently use and are working for me with 1.29: Sexlab Defeat, Romance, Aroused, Lovers Comfort (didnt test a lot though), TDF Aggresive Prostitution (some errors if you rush the dialogue options so far), Sexlab Cumshot. I have Creatures, Radiant Prostitution and HentaiPregnancy installed but didnt test them yet with 1.29. True that the last version of Radiant Prositution (0.81) always gave me more problems than 0.61, but being a work in progress in any case, it's something I can deal with because the mod is just awesome

[Zaitera]

Uhm, heya, I'm having same problem. I read about 1.29b version, however I can only find 1.24 version. Where do I find it? :|

[Lother]

http://www.loverslab.com/topic/18708-sexlab-framework-development-planning-discussion/

 

In this link you have the instructions to download the lastest development version

[Angelvire Empire]

So, my dragonborn of level 11 comes back to whiterun to get a little bit of R&R from the Bannered Mare after a couple days of trying not to die from quest dungeons. So, using Radiant Prostitution, she goes on call with Hulda and finds her first customer for the night. The two head up to her rented room aaaaaaand. Nothing. I press the dialogue option to initiate the sex, but both actors just stand there, clothes on. I talk to the customer again and apparently I'm already asking for the money.

 

So I went through the troubleshooting steps. Cleaning & Reseting Sexlab didn't do anything. Everything is updated. So, I saw there was a problem with NMM and a readme option. So I reinstalled Sexlab and all its addons with the buggy option unchecked. I ran BOSS which didn't do anything with the sexlab addons, so I went into Wrye Bash and set them above the bash patch. Closing that, I went into FNIS and ran GenerateForUsers. Oddly enough, there were no errors, yet when I use the 'Consistency Check' there's no feedback but an empty newline. Going back in game, I try again. Lo and behold, the animations worked. Once. And it was so horribly misaligned that I pressed the ] key to realign the scene and my character went to the opposite side of the inn than where the scene was taking place. So, I went into MCM sexlab and stopped all animations. Then a new animation started and I stopped that too. Then I reloaded, trying to see if I did something wrong or if I should try manually realigning the characters with the other keys.

 

However, the animations no longer worked. Again. I tried to save, quit skyrim, reload. Nothing worked. Please help me.

 

The below Papyrus log is of my last effort. All it is, is me starting Skyrim, loading the last save game, pressing the dialogue option to start the sex act, not having sex, then quitting the game (without saving) after seeing I'm trying to collect the money.

 

And my load order. It's pretty stable save for random, unreproduceable crashes caused by papyrus memory dumps.

00  Skyrim.esm

01  Update.esm

02  Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0a]

03  Dawnguard.esm

04  Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0b]

05  HearthFires.esm

06  Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

07  Dragonborn.esm

08  Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp  [Version 2.0.0]

09  ClimatesOfTamriel.esm

0A  SPIKE.esm

0B  ZaZAnimationPack.esm

0C  Devious Devices - Assets.esm  [Version 2.0.]

0D  SexLab.esm  [Version 1.24]

0E  SexLabAroused.esm

0F  HentaiPregnancy.esm

10  Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp  [Version 1.1.2]

11  Chesko_Frostfall.esp

12  SplashofRain.esp

13  AOS.esp

14  ClimatesOfTamriel-Sound.esp

15  Thundering Shouts.esp

16  mintylightningmod.esp

17  MintyLightningMod_COT_Patch.esp

18  StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp

19  StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp

1A  StaticMeshImprovementMod-FurnitureChestSnowFix.esp

1B  TradeBarter.esp

1C  AMatterOfTime.esp  [Version 1.00]

1D  Auto Unequip Ammo.esp

1E  CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp

1F  Chesko_WearableLantern.esp

20  daymoyl.esp

21  Dual Sheath Redux.esp

22  Hunterborn.esp

23  Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

24  Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp

25  MF_RadiantProstitution.esp

26  MF_SpectatorCrowds.esp

27  Skyrim Immersive Creatures.esp  [Version v6.1.3]

28  Skyrim Immersive Creatures - DLC2.esp  [Version v6.1.3]

29  WetandCold.esp

2A  WetandCold - Ashes.esp

2B  DYNAVISION Dynamic Depth of Field.esp

2C  Footprints.esp

2D  Footprints - Ash.esp

2E  RaceMenu.esp

2F  RaceMenuPlugin.esp

30  RaceMenuOverlays.esp

31  SkyUI.esp

32  iHUD.esp

33  AMB Glass Variants Lore.esp

34  BoundArmors.esp

35  Cloaks.esp

36  Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp

37  1nivWICCloaks.esp  [Version 2.3]

38  1nivWICSkyCloaksPatch.esp  [Version 2.3]

39  DragonbornArmorFix.esp

3A  hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

3B  Immersive Weapons.esp

3C  Remodeled Armor.esp

3D  Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp

3E  Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp

3F  Remodeled Armor - Underwear.esp

40  TGLNordArmor.esp

41  Dr_Bandolier.esp

42  BandolierForNPCMasterFile.esp  [Version 4.0]

43  BandolierForNPCsWIC_V2.esp

44  BandolierForNPCsCheaperBandoliers_BalancedWeight.esp

45  HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonborn.esp  [Version 2.0]

46  HarvestOverhaulSalmonRoe.esp

47  HarvestOverhaulCreaturesDawnguardHearthfireDragonborn.esp

48  DeadlyDragons.esp

49  SkyRe_Main.esp

4A  SkyRe_Combat.esp

4B  SkyRe_CraftingFix.esp

4C  SkyRe_EncounterZones.esp

4D  SkyRe_EnemyAI.esp

4E  SkyRe_EnemyScaling.esp

4F  SkyRe_HarvestOverhaulDawnguardDragonbornPatch.esp

50  SkyRe_Survivalism.esp

51  SkyRe_hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp

52  SkyRe_SIC Crossbowfix.esp  [Version v6.1.2]

53  AngrimApprentice.esp

54  Inconsequential NPCs.esp

55  JobsofSkyrim.esp

56  Northern Bathhouses.esp

57  morerealisticcarrying.esp

58  Weighted Items.esp

59  AchieveThat.esp

5A  AlwaysPickUpBooks.esp

5B  Arachnophobia.esp

5C  ArchmageTolfdir.esp

5D  Babette.esp

5E  BetterQuestObjectives.esp

----> Delinquent MASTER: Book Covers Skyrim.esp

5F  BetterQuestObjectives-SkyRePatch.esp

60  BetterQuestObjectives-DBForevertoMisc.esp

61  Book Covers Skyrim.esp

62  Book Covers Dawnguard.esp

63  Book Covers Hearthfire.esp

64  Book Covers Dragonborn.esp

65  Civil War Overhaul.esp

66  Distant Detail.esp

67  Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp

68  Headtracking.esp

69  LaFemmeLycana.esp

6A  Rebirth Monster.esp

6B  Schlongs of Skyrim - Light.esp

6C  HPSoulGemBirth.esp

6D  SkyFalls - Distant Waterfall Overhaul.esp

6E  Convenient Horses.esp

6F  TheChoiceIsYours.esp

70  TheChoiceIsYours_Dawnguard.esp

71  BetterQuestObjectives-TheChoiceIsYoursPatch.esp

72  TimingIsEverything.esp

73  torches for realistic lighting.esp

74  TwoRings.esp

75  xazPrisonOverhaul.esp

76  aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp

77  icefloes.esp

78  EnhancedLightsandFX.esp

79  ELFX - Exteriors.esp

7A  ELFX - Dawnguard.esp

7B  ELFX - Dragonborn.esp

7C  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp

7D  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp

7E  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp

7F  Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp

80  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dawnguard-Patch.esp

81  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dragonborn-Patch.esp

82  AOS_CoT 3.1 compatibility patch.esp

83  ClimatesOfTamriel-Dungeons-Hardcore.esp

84  ClimatesOfTamriel-Interiors-Cold.esp

85  ClimatesOfTamriel-Nights-Level-8.esp

86  ELFXEnhancer.esp

87  PrivateNeeds.esp

88  PrivateNeeds-Sexlab.esp

89  SkyRealism - Time and Travel.esp  [Version 1.2.]

8A  Predator Vision.esp

8B  Brevi_MoonlightTales.esp

8C  ESFCompanions.esp  [Version 0.3.2]

8D  BetterQuestObjectives-MoonlightPatch.esp

8E  Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp

8F  DeadlySpellImpacts.esp

90  dovahkiinrelax.esp

91  Startingspells begone.esp

92  ImprovedSneakDetection.esp

93  NoSneakAttackSound.esp

94  DragonCombatOverhaulDragonborn.esp

95  The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp

96  ReadAndLearnSpeechcraft.esp

97  Acquisitive Soul Gems.esp

98  SGHairPack06.esp

99  SGHairPack04.esp

9A  SGHairPack01.esp

9B  SGHairPack03.esp

9C  SGHairPack05.esp

9D  SGHairPack02.esp

9E  TheEyesOfBeauty.esp  [Version 8]

9F  BS-TheHag_Overlays.esp

A0  BS-TheHag_WarPaints.esp

A1  3DNPC.esp

A2  RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp

A3  RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp

A4  RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp

A5  RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp

A6  Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp

A7  PrivateNeeds-RND.esp

A8  RND_USKP-Patch.esp

A9  Reduced Distance NPC Greetings.esp

AA  Follower Trap Safety.esp

AB  moveitLWT.esp

AC  dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Medium.esp

AD  CharGen ECE Morphs.esp

AE  TTYM - Think to Yourself Messages.esp

AF  LoversComfort.esp

B0  LoversHook.esp

B1  SexLab Submit.esp

B2  SexLab Solutions.esp

B3  SexLab Dangerously Nude.esp

B4  SexLab RND.esp

B5  SexLabMatchMaker.esp  [Version 5]

B6  SexLabUtil1.esp

B7  Remove Recurring Messages.esp

B8  No More Glowing Edges.esp

B9  RealisticWaterTwo.esp

BA  RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp

BB  SeeYouSleepByMadmole.esp

BC  Blacksmithforge water fix Vanilla.esp

BD  Blacksmithforge water fix DG.esp

BE  Blacksmithforge water fix DB.esp

BF  Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Texture 2.esp

C0  warburg's 3d paper world map - dawnguard.esp

C1  Warburg's 3D Paper World Map - Dragonborn.esp

C2  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

C3  Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

C4  ReProccer.esp

C5  ReProccerNONPLAYERfix.esp

C6  ReProccerDragonborn.esp

C7  MoonlightTalesLaFemmeLycana20Update.esp

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