problem with nexus?

[gregathit]

LMAO here you warn me about evoking freedom of speech' date=' yet you speak of bringing harm upon someone??? Should you not practice what you preach?

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Well I for one am curious on how he would "suicide him". By definition suicide is to kill one's self. How in the blue blazes is Thesapien going to convince the nexus moderator to kill himself?????

Unless Thesapien was just trying to get cutesy with his wordplay....

[Sensual Nautilus]

So really, here is my updated opinion on this thread. Rather than name this thread "problem with nexus", we should call it "problem with nexus moderators" There is a generation of evil, facading as moderators in nexus, but a few good in that website remains. Someday, nexus might become like how I used to remember it in the early days of TES4 modding; it wasn't perfect but it was indeed more warm than what it is now. It's a passing thing, even terrible things must pass and a new generation will eventually take over... maybe even loverslab as the future which I am all too fine with

[Guest GingerTom]

Excellent idea!

[gregathit]

So really' date=' here is my updated opinion on this thread. Rather than name this thread "problem with nexus", we should call it "problem with nexus moderators" There is a generation of evil, facading as moderators in nexus, but a few good in that website remains. Someday, nexus might become like how I used to remember it in the early days of TES4 modding; it wasn't perfect but it was indeed more warm than what it is now. It's a passing thing, even terrible things must pass and a new generation will eventually take over... maybe even loverslab as the future which I am all too fine with

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I think most folks do have issues with the staff/moderators but there is a large number or knucklehead users that any mod maker has to deal with over there that often are just as bad.

[Zaldir]

And who have to deal with those idiots you speak of..? (I say they are the root to all evil!)

You guys never heard about the suicide button? One click on that, and whoever you wish will take their own life. There is only one such button, and I fear (for my life) that thesapien is in control of this one!

PS. We ALL (and I mean ALL) wish we could go back to the early days of the Nexus.

[prideslayer]

My problem, and I think it boils down to the same problem for everyone (that has one), is that the standard of conduct is not enforced with an even hand. At the end of the day, the rules are far too strict to be as unevenly enforced as they are.

At the risk of engaging in a bit of hyperbole, it's like having a death penalty for shoplifting, knowing full well that you will miss some shoplifters while others sneak by. This is why you don't have such a penalty for shoplifting -- so that when the no-shoplifting law is enforced, the repercussions are not terribly controversial.

Of course the system as a whole breeds exactly the kind of users (and modders, and admins) that it's getting, in general. Prominent download counters and "popularity" rankings, forums that (in the mod db interface) look like the comments block on a blog or news site, and no real system to "appeal" a perceived abuse of power all contribute to the current situation.

[Guest GingerTom]

If Nexus were just starting up today the modders and downloaders would say 'are you kidding' and go somewhere else--it's only because of the great number of mods for download that they are still going.

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

I am a bit confused. You all want to go back to the early days of the nexus and then what? This place becomes empty? Why can't you re create it here?

This L-slab place seems to have an identity crises. Is it an underground sex gaming site or is it really trying to become another teeny bop gaming site.

Personally I dislike the nexus forums because it is infested with children. I happen to be annoyed by them. However I am MORE annoyed by the mentality of the new breed of modders. Too many schizoid control issues for my liking. I am planning my first mod. It will most likely be shit. But even if it was "The Shit" I would release the same way: "Take it. It is yours. Do what you want with it. Have fun with it. Make it your own. Make it your own. If you have any questions you can find me here until I no longer wish people to find me."

This Tao happens to be a scarce trait in people these days.

[Sensual Nautilus]

I think most folks do have issues with the staff/moderators but there is a large number or knucklehead users that any mod maker has to deal with over there that often are just as bad.

that is true indeed, problems always arise, but most of that large number of knuckleheaded users do their mistake by accident and often their first as a fresh modder. True, it is our responsibility to read and understand the rules of use and access in the website prior and I am all too happy to oblige (why ive stayed alive in nexus for some time now) but most of the mods have little to no faith at all in the users who could be instead of hating them, could potentially adore and idolize them for the work they do for the community and the time and care they might be providing for the users so appropriate actions are delivered on good and bad scenarios. Instead, mods now have become one-stroke kings who will send you to the gallows for eating with your mouth open instead of a warning or a minor punishment that would educate the by-accident offender so he/she could integrate itself fully into the community. I've put up with all the petty rules and regulations, happy to keep doing so and call nexus a home that I can still go to, but the problem is like what I said, the mods have become cold. instead of encouraging their users to abide by the rules with love and respect for the site, they use their own agenda and strike fear on the community so that they would do what they are told.

[Sensual Nautilus]

I am a bit confused. You all want to go back to the early days of the nexus and then what? This place becomes empty? Why can't you re create it here?

This L-slab place seems to have an identity crises. Is it an underground sex gaming site or is it really trying to become another teeny bop gaming site.

Personally I dislike the nexus forums because it is infested with children. I happen to be annoyed by them. However I am MORE annoyed by the mentality of the new breed of modders. Too many schizoid control issues for my liking. I am planning my first mod. It will most likely be shit. But even if it was "The Shit" I would release the same way: "Take it. It is yours. Do what you want with it. Have fun with it. Make it your own. Make it your own. If you have any questions you can find me here until I no longer wish people to find me."

This Tao happens to be a scarce trait in people these days.

perfectly reasonable, but there's something wrong with that. based off what I can understand, you identify loverslab as an underground sex-gaming site (most of us probably feel we are more than smexing and sensitive content) and you want it to completely replace nexus? nexus is a pretty popular modding site, and let's be realistic, a trendy atmosphere and an "underground sex gaming site" would not mix very well... it would also erase the underground word from that group of words. I personally don't have the same dislike for young modders like you have, because I believe the sooner you can start modding, the better you will progress along your way as a beneficial contributor to all things game modification. As for the mentality of the general modders, I always found them like that, in fact sometimes just exactly the same here in loverslab. and most modders operate the same way as well, most modders there wopuld be all too happy to let someone use their mod but always with the appropriate permission, because who would want their hard work used without the original brains behind the work of art being acknowledged? I wouldn't, that would tear up my tiny little child-like ego

lastly, have a little more faith in loverslab ehy

even if the environment in nexus becomes warm and cozy again, LL won't die, because we're one of the few communities out there who accepts those seemingly reasonable yet utterly social taboos that other normal communities would find unaceptable. If I'm feeling for a mod that would boost my magical spells, I go to nexus, if I want to lay with a horse while stuffing my face between the legs of a sadistic woman, I go here at loverslab

[Zaldir]

Modding is a form of art. You want credit for making it, just like a painter wants credit for his painting, a sculptor the credit for his sculpture, etc.

And that is the way it has always been with modding - it is not the new modders you are seeing who are fighting for their rights, it is the old ones. The old breed of modders are fighting for their rights because the new breed do not know about the etiquette and moral of the modding community, so they do as they please. This has increased as of late, because Skyrim was too much of a success for it's own good, and Steam Workshop was a bad move, which further helps in bringing the bad of the new breed in to the modding scene (the new breed is not bad, but by Thor there are lots of bad in there!).

[deathparade]

True since modding has kinda died out in the years for most new games which to my opinion suck as hell and ofcourse many kiddies want that new COD en new Battlefield because everybody plays it! Steam is by Valve one of the awesomest GAME creator's ever in MY opinion! Steam WAS a good platform (back when it was green and didn't freeze every time you clicked a link!) They are the only well known dev's who didn't pour modding down the drain (also bethesda but their games are quite unstable it seems) So all of the sudden that AWESOME Dev company makes a modding thingy (Whatever that means to those kid's) and they are like: OOOH NEW AND F'ing SHINY LET'S CREATE ALOT OF STUFF! HUR!

And this might just be the beginning of the end of normal decent modding!

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

I am a bit confused. You all want to go back to the early days of the nexus and then what? This place becomes empty? Why can't you re create it here?

This L-slab place seems to have an identity crises. Is it an underground sex gaming site or is it really trying to become another teeny bop gaming site.

Personally I dislike the nexus forums because it is infested with children. I happen to be annoyed by them. However I am MORE annoyed by the mentality of the new breed of modders. Too many schizoid control issues for my liking. I am planning my first mod. It will most likely be shit. But even if it was "The Shit" I would release the same way: "Take it. It is yours. Do what you want with it. Have fun with it. Make it your own. Make it your own. If you have any questions you can find me here until I no longer wish people to find me."

This Tao happens to be a scarce trait in people these days.

perfectly reasonable' date=' but there's something wrong with that. based off what I can understand, you identify loverslab as an underground sex-gaming site (most of us probably feel we are more than smexing and sensitive content) and you want it to completely replace nexus? nexus is a pretty popular modding site, and let's be realistic, a trendy atmosphere and an "underground sex gaming site" would not mix very well... it would also erase the underground word from that group of words. I personally don't have the same dislike for young modders like you have, because I believe the sooner you can start modding, the better you will progress along your way as a beneficial contributor to all things game modification. As for the mentality of the general modders, I always found them like that, in fact sometimes just exactly the same here in loverslab. and most modders operate the same way as well, most modders there wopuld be all too happy to let someone use their mod but always with the appropriate permission, because who would want their hard work used without the original brains behind the work of art being acknowledged? I wouldn't, that would tear up my tiny little child-like ego

lastly, have a little more faith in loverslab ehy

even if the environment in nexus becomes warm and cozy again, LL won't die, because we're one of the few communities out there who accepts those seemingly reasonable yet utterly social taboos that other normal communities would find unaceptable. If I'm feeling for a mod that would boost my magical spells, I go to nexus, if I want to lay with a horse while stuffing my face between the legs of a sadistic woman, I go here at loverslab

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You have misunderstood me a little. I like this place because it is an underground sex modding site and everything else that comes with it.

This site in its current form can not replace nexus. I think this site is the future of modding. All those children will soon blossom into assholes.. I mean adults oO.

I use the nexus every day. I have friends there. Those friends are members here. I don't use their forums and that prevents me from engaging people like you and and revealing my complete ignorance on this entire subject. But I am not one to sit and watch. The best way to learn is to jump right in abd that means you are going to look stupid sometimes. meh

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

Modding is a form of art. You want credit for making it' date=' just like a painter wants credit for his painting, a sculptor the credit for his sculpture, etc.

And that is the way it has always been with modding - it is not the new modders you are seeing who are fighting for their rights, it is the old ones. The old breed of modders are fighting for their rights because the new breed do not know about the etiquette and moral of the modding community, so they do as they please. This has increased as of late, because Skyrim was too much of a success for it's own good, and Steam Workshop was a bad move, which further helps in bringing the bad of the new breed in to the modding scene (the new breed is not bad, but by Thor there are lots of bad in there!).

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1) Modding is an art. Then so is physics, mathematics. So is the way I shave my legs. Real artists don't give a shit about recognition. They do it for the joy it brings them and others. ie. Bansky

Very few artists can ever make a living selling their art because they are too busy trying to sell their art. I understand your point. There is an element of art in modding but not all people who mod are artists. As the expression goes; all bourbon is whisky, but not all whisky is bourbon. If you don't know the difference between the three then this conversation is a dead end

2)Old modders?> How old is old. The old modders now have families and carries. They do not give a shit. And if they do then that is their problem. We will never come to terms on this point. Art is to be given not owned. As an artist nothing pleases me more than to create something and then see someone take it and make it their own. Make it better. Let the idea grow and to have it's own life without me.

You are probably right in that it has always been this way but that means very little to me except that I can then say I have always disliked it.

[prideslayer]

Modding has not 'always' been that way. The earliest mods for PC games back in the DOS days (and even earlier in the Apple days) were shared widely and freely with no restrictions. The glory hounding didn't come until much later.. not until after the WWW took off. Before that, things were much more open and collaborative.

These days, the primary complaint you get from "modders" (and I use that term loosely) on nexus WRT people uploading combined/compiled/whatever copies of their work is that it "steals" downloads from their count that should "belong" to them.

There is a solution to the mess though, from within. Imagine the impact if something like NVSE were released under the GPL..

[thesapien]

Modding is a form of art. You want credit for making it' date=' just like a painter wants credit for his painting, a sculptor the credit for his sculpture, etc.

And that is the way it has always been with modding - it is not the new modders you are seeing who are fighting for their rights, it is the old ones. The old breed of modders are fighting for their rights because the new breed do not know about the etiquette and moral of the modding community, so they do as they please. This has increased as of late, because Skyrim was too much of a success for it's own good, and Steam Workshop was a bad move, which further helps in bringing the bad of the new breed in to the modding scene (the new breed is not bad, but by Thor there are lots of bad in there!).

[/quote']

You should listen to PrideSlayer and also read this:
/>http://wryemusings.com/Cathedral%20vs.%20Parlor.html

The mod community is moving away from open-modding and more into mine, mine, mine modding that is ego driven.

An artist who is more about their self than their art is hardly an artist.

1) Modding is an art. Then so is physics' date=' mathematics. So is the way I shave my legs. Real artists don't give a shit about recognition. They do it for the joy it brings them and others. ie. Bansky

Very few artists can ever make a living selling their art because they are too busy trying to sell their art. I understand your point. There is an element of art in modding but not all people who mod are artists. As the expression goes; all bourbon is whisky, but not all whisky is bourbon. If you don't know the difference between the three then this conversation is a dead end

2)Old modders?> How old is old. The old modders now have families and carries. They do not give a shit. And if they do then that is their problem. We will never come to terms on this point. Art is to be given not owned. As an artist nothing pleases me more than to create something and then see someone take it and make it their own. Make it better. Let the idea grow and to have it's own life without me.

You are probably right in that it has always been this way but that means very little to me except that I can then say I have always disliked it.

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It seems you're talking to a few kids (I mean young adults) here who don't know any different and likely just don't understand what you're talking about because they have no common reference.

[prideslayer]

BBS days yes, but even during the days of the pre-www internet, when file searches were done with Archie, Veronica, and the gang..

Modding "back in the day" was stuff like "A Fistful of Doom", "Batman Doom", and even older pre-doom stuff that I vaguely remember. All of these came with a readme (no 'license' concerns then rally) saying "upload me wherever you want to, do whatever you want to except replacing this readme file." This continued right up until the orange box days, and then things started to change.

[Guest Kate the Bionic Uterus]

Modding has not 'always' been that way. The earliest mods for PC games back in the DOS days (and even earlier in the Apple days) were shared widely and freely with no restrictions. The glory hounding didn't come until much later.. not until after the WWW took off. Before that' date=' things were much more open and collaborative.

These days, the primary complaint you get from "modders" (and I use that term loosely) on nexus WRT people uploading combined/compiled/whatever copies of their work is that it "steals" downloads from their count that should "belong" to them.

There is a solution to the mess though, from within. Imagine the impact if something like NVSE were released under the GPL..

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Art is the use of skill and imagination in the creation of aesthetic objects' date=' environments, or experiences that can be shared with others.

And I remember the dialup days of BBS's which I believe is what Prideslayer is referring to, and is quite correct about. That's how Epic Megagames first started But we have to remember there "Always" is less then 25 years old

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Modding is a form of art. You want credit for making it' date=' just like a painter wants credit for his painting, a sculptor the credit for his sculpture, etc.

And that is the way it has always been with modding - it is not the new modders you are seeing who are fighting for their rights, it is the old ones. The old breed of modders are fighting for their rights because the new breed do not know about the etiquette and moral of the modding community, so they do as they please. This has increased as of late, because Skyrim was too much of a success for it's own good, and Steam Workshop was a bad move, which further helps in bringing the bad of the new breed in to the modding scene (the new breed is not bad, but by Thor there are lots of bad in there!).

[/quote']

You should listen to PrideSlayer and also read this:
/>http://wryemusings.com/Cathedral%20vs.%20Parlor.html

The mod community is moving away from open-modding and more into mine, mine, mine modding that is ego driven.

An artist who is more about their self than their art is hardly an artist.

1) Modding is an art. Then so is physics' date=' mathematics. So is the way I shave my legs. Real artists don't give a shit about recognition. They do it for the joy it brings them and others. ie. Bansky

Very few artists can ever make a living selling their art because they are too busy trying to sell their art. I understand your point. There is an element of art in modding but not all people who mod are artists. As the expression goes; all bourbon is whisky, but not all whisky is bourbon. If you don't know the difference between the three then this conversation is a dead end

2)Old modders?> How old is old. The old modders now have families and carries. They do not give a shit. And if they do then that is their problem. We will never come to terms on this point. Art is to be given not owned. As an artist nothing pleases me more than to create something and then see someone take it and make it their own. Make it better. Let the idea grow and to have it's own life without me.

You are probably right in that it has always been this way but that means very little to me except that I can then say I have always disliked it.

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It seems you're talking to a few kids (I mean young adults) here who don't know any different and likely just don't understand what you're talking about because they have no common reference.

BBS days yes' date=' but even during the days of the pre-www internet, when file searches were done with Archie, Veronica, and the gang..

Modding "back in the day" was stuff like "A Fistful of Doom", "Batman Doom", and even older pre-doom stuff that I vaguely remember. All of these came with a readme (no 'license' concerns then rally) saying "upload me wherever you want to, do whatever you want to except replacing this readme file." This continued right up until the orange box days, and then things started to change.

[/quote']

I think I have fallen in love with three finely aged gentlemen.

You have given this woman hope. Albeit a very tiny amount, it is still enough to please me. Ah you can all go to bed knowing you have pleasured a stranger today. I won't tell your significant others.

[Grumpf]

Annoying mode on.

Modding is a form of art.

Good old debate about digital copies... Isn't that the uniqueness of a painting that makes it art? Then in this case' date=' is music art? Or is this specific music played by this specific orchestra at this specific time? What if someone wants to fix the Joconde cause she was blonde in fact?

1) Modding is an art. Then so is physics, mathematics. So is the way I shave my legs.

2)Old modders?> How old is old. They do not give a shit. And if they do then that is their problem. Art is to be given not owned. As an artist nothing pleases me more than to create something and then see someone take it and make it their own. Make it better. Let the idea grow and to have it's own life without me.

1. No, Physics and Mathematics are science which is more or less the complete opposite. Science, especially Mathematics is not subject to interpretation. By definition, science will always lead to the same result no matter who uses it, Art is the opposite of that.

As for your legs, pic or it didn't happen!!!

2. I'm old You're right, Art is to give. An artist will create and be pleased it's released. Especially with modern Art where the Oeuvre itself is not only what the artist wanted to create but 50% of it is what YOU see in it (that is, when it's not complete bullshit ).

Now, after that, greedy people transformed art in a money machine the same way Chinese & Japanese wine collectors have transformed Burgundy wines into an investment portfolio. Money will ruin Art, inevitably. And this applies to our dear topic here, the Nexus. Money corrupted it too...

[lolerzness]

And who have to deal with those idiots you speak of..? (I say they are the root to all evil!)

You guys never heard about the suicide button? One click on that' date=' and whoever you wish will take their own life. There is only one such button, and I fear (for my life) that thesapien is in control of this one!

PS. We ALL (and I mean ALL) wish we could go back to the early days of the Nexus.

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YOU HAVE EARNED MY RESPECT.

TRULY.

FINALLY A NEXUS MODERATOR. WHO ACTUALLY IS OPEN TO OPINIONS.

[Zaldir]

Ehm... "My" early days of modding are back in '06 (thesapien is right, you are talking to at least one ki.. ahem.. young adult), so I can only speak for that time, not before. And (many of) the people fighting for their modders' rights now are people from back then.

Anyway, I share my stuff openly - all I want is a notification of where it is uploaded, so that I can add a link to it in my descriptions.

(Unless it is uploaded to LL of course... Wouldn't want to put a link to *that place* in my descriptions )

[Grumpf]

Aaaah modding Doom and Daggerfall, good ol' time

[Guest GingerTom]

you are talking to at least one ki.. ahem.. young adult)

Instant ban for admitting to being a--oh, sorry, I thought I was a Nexus moderator.

[Duoleb The Chosen]

Aaaah modding Doom and Daggerfall' date=' good ol' time

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At least Doom and Quake Modding Comminity is open Minded

but Beth's modding community is becoming a Mugen Community with this goddamn isolationism with MINE MINE AND MINE AND FUCKOFF ITS MINE!

but zaldir is a good guy(instead of some mods from Dante's Retarded Gang)

[Grumpf]

Ok people we need a rule:

Moderators of forum == Modos for short

Modifications of the game == Mods

As for the mine mine, posting something on the internet and expecting it to remain yours is... interesting... It's like thinking rule 34 doesn't exists