Fallout 4! In like 4 1/2 months, its real.

[endgameaddiction]

Well there have been conflicts with one side and the other. Over who is right and who is wrong, and why shouldn't we be able to get paid for putting hours of time into our own projects etc...

 

You can always look at these two at http://www.loverslab.com/topic/46131-a-little-warning-to-mod-creators-of-non-adult-mods/and http://www.loverslab.com/topic/46329-paid-modding-is-gone/ to give an example of what I'm talking about.

 

I'm trying to avoid getting too much into that subject as it's been discussed and will probably derail this topic with more bad blood.

[Lunari]

I did in fact cry REAL tears of actual joy when the trailer played.

It was like my best friend was gone for nearly 10 years, and suddenly showed up at my front door with a big smile and a hug. I couldn't stop crying. The doubts, the pain, the frustration... it's all gone. If this game IS just literally a slightly prettier Skyrim with VATS... I will still shoot rainbows out of my ass in anticipation. After all... I have logged in nearly 800 hours on Skyrim... I forsee a potential obsession upon the horizon lads... and she's a big'un!

[Nixea]

 

• It mentions save transfer, completely impossible given that fallout 3 was not equiped with that ability, and you can't retroactively build that feature, It needs to be made from the ground up. No, not at all, all you need to do is to read a bunch of variables from the save file.
• It mentions it's using an entirely new engine, built from scratch, then claims it uses the creation engine. That's very contradictory. No, she mentions two different versions of the game using two different engines!
• It claims it's 3 times bigger than Skyrim, but skyrim took 3 years to make. No way they can triple it's size in just under a year. It's physically impossible. You don't know how long they have been working on this or how many people are there in the team or how fast they work. I've seen  devs adding huge areas into a game within just a couple of months (see Black Desert for instance)
• It claims an xbox 360 and ps3 version will be available, a lie, completely contradicting Todd Howard's sentiment. You obviously haven't heard the cross-gen rumor of yesterday. They may also have been dropped it after she left.
• The bird's eye view mechanic is a lie, due to the nature of BGS' games, this is technically unstable. It would likely break the game. If you zoom all the way out in both FNV or Skyrim, it's pretty much a bird's eye view and it's stable, also you don't even know what the other engine will be.
• Forcing you into only playing a man is one of the biggest red flags. Bethesda is know for "Play how you want, be who you want" gameplay approach. They've kept this motto since arena, they aren't going to abandon it now. They don't technically abandon it. She says you'll be able to play as a female at the end of the main story.
• At the time this released in 2014, it claims that the game was 40% done on "next gen" and 15% done on "last gen". Not only is it impossible to comeplete 60% of the game (that's supposedly 3 times bigger than skyrim) in what I'm assuming is 1 year of dev time (I think it will be released this year, though if not, 2 years dev time) but that's also not how video game development works. You don't completely develop two separate versions of games and have them at different levels of completion, given that this person claims they're "the same on all platforms" just with enhanced graphics. See #3
• Another point on the development side is this post claims BGS is doing all of that work themselves, which is just as unlikely. Really? Why is that? They did FO3 and Skyrim, didn't they?
• The post claims the "roadmap" for announcement is June announcement only (obviously they picked June because of E3, like we were doing every year since Skyrim), claims a cinematic trailer releases in July (already proven false due to the 3 minute gameplay trailer being released today) and claims the first gameplay trailer releases in august, (again, proven untrue today). Nope. Today's trailer wasn't a gameplay trailer, it was the cinematic trailer. 
• They claim the dlc is already planned out as early as 2014, which isn't how BGS does dlc. They go with the flow, so to speak, never following a strict guideline. That's just your opinion and doesn't prove anything.
• They claim a spin-off is being made by Behaviour Interactive. Seriously? See below

 

 

Err no, the explanation I've posted is 7 hours old and it's a response to that supposed leak and BruceWayne already proved this Sandra is a fake identity. Also, it would be helpful if you could at least try to back up your arguments while also being less rude, I believe I'm being perfectly polite to you.

Sorry, if sounded rude. The arguments in the explanation you posted are pretty similar to the stuff posted 11 months ago under her message and just as ignorant. First of all, if they fired her, then she was apparently not a critical employee. A non critical employee cannot know all the details of the project, especially what happened after she had left. There may be further changes in the project that may or may not conflict with what she said back then. Anyway, I've written my counter arguments in the post you quoted above. As to whether or not she is a fake identity, we can't know that just by looking at the employee list on wikia, she could even be an intern. There are details in her post that I've never seen elsewhere until today.

 

Also, there's the issue of leaked FO4 documents. Maybe she was indeed the one responsible?

 

PS. I leaked some of the first Fallout 4 info by accident, and it ended up in the hands of Kotaku. Oops.

Where did Sandra get that Behaviour Interactive name, I wonder. Because they do seem to have a partnership with Bethesda.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviour_Interactive

 

 

And I'm sorry if I sounded too defensive, it's just it felt like you basically dismissed my entire argument without even trying to justify yours. Now, there's just way too many details about this Sandra's leak that just don't make sense such as he whole not having PS3/Xbox360 versions as opposed to what she said is pretty significant, much of what she reveals was either known already or easy to guess such as the date of the next E3 and there's just no way we'll have a main TES/Fallout title without a fully customizable character, Bethesda would be taking a massive dump in their own house if they did that. It's just too unlikely for me to believe it, they paid good money to acquire the rights of the Fallout brand and this would basically "suicide" it.

[bjornk]

not having PS3/Xbox360 versions as opposed to what she said is pretty significant

There was a cross-gen (aka. support for previous gen PS3/XBox360) rumor two days ago now, that had started by some stuff found on the website, so we can't totally dismiss that possibility. Could also have been postponed or cancelled after she left. We don't know at this point.

 

much of what she reveals was either known already or easy to guess such as the date of the next E3

All we know now is that the game will be released in 2015 for the PC and the current gen consoles and she *did* say that. Remember, the post you quoted was claiming that it was impossible. The announcement date of the title, trailer date and the release date were pretty much spot on. "Where else but E3" argument that some people have is a bit pathetic. A year ago nobody knew that Bethesda would be at this years E3 to announce FO4, they could have announced it at the one next year. (In fact, there's even a poll on LL in the Fallout section about what will be announced at E3, as nobody but Bethesda knew for sure, until now).

 

and there's just no way we'll have a main TES/Fallout title without a fully customizable character, Bethesda would be taking a massive dump in their own house if they did that.

But she *did* say that both female and male characters were customizable.

I believe her post was legit, though despite her lengthy post, she did not reveal much to surprise us at this point and what she said was all from a casual users point of view, so there are still many things we don't know about. I still would like to know what the "new engine" will be as it will have a strong impact on modding. Is it yet another version of Creation Engine, or a version of idTech perhaps?

[ElectricSheep]

The trailer is shit and it looks like the game is going to be shit as well.

 

At the beginning of the game, you create your character (You can only be a male in the main story), and afterward, you start the game with a blast. After the blast, you awake to see the building you are standing inside blown apart and your wife, Lydia, dead. Robots and Androids are storming the place, killing and kidnapping the people inside. You, known as "The Officer", must escape and get revenge.

 

(...)

 

Unlike Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas, you can only play as a man. This is due to the storyline requiring it. However, after the main story is over, you can have a gender change. BGS did not rule out Females for possible standalone DLC, however.

 

[Redflyingmonkey]

Looks like an upgraded Skyrim engine doesn't it ? I like the texture work but the actors mesh look as bad as ever. I'll also grab a filter as soon as they release the game, a sepia one. It looks way too "clean" right now, unless they added game changing climates with dynamic sandstorms or something, I don't see myself playing in a FO with a sky that blue and so much overall sharp image, it should be a bit hazier like, y'know, a wasteland.

That said I'm happy with how crappy the meshes seem, means modding the game should be that easier. Bethesda logic : the crappier the game look, the more you'll have an easy time modding it. Animations seem also as stiff as ever, hope they kept the same format as Skyrim so we can animate some new idles/sex anims.

What's good is that Skyrim modding has been so intensive, we already have skeletons that should be as good or even better than what most games have now. If we FO kept some of Skyrim's contents, namely their skeleton, it'll be damn easy to rig and edit it.

So yeah, pretty damn hopeful. Just hope the paid mods are bullshit, would hate to see Loverslab (really) become a pirate platform ... I've always thought they should make a system for mods where frameworks and necessary resources mods like SkyUI in Skyrim have two download options ; one with the things you need to run all the mods that depend on it, hence just the script and an epurated version of the mod. And another one that you have to buy with a premium version, with all options enabled. Looks like DRM yeah, but that's a compromise, and that way it'd push people to release bigger mods as their premium version will need to deserve a separate paid download.

[Chaos63]

It's starting to sound a lot like Rage. Male protag, post-apocalyptia, mutants, raiders...if they add cars and bikes it will probably make a pretty good game.

And @ElectricSheep, that link sounds like a load of untrustworthy shit.

[Angrybird]

The trailer is shit and it looks like the game is going to be shit as well.

 

At the beginning of the game, you create your character (You can only be a male in the main story), and afterward, you start the game with a blast. After the blast, you awake to see the building you are standing inside blown apart and your wife, Lydia, dead. Robots and Androids are storming the place, killing and kidnapping the people inside. You, known as "The Officer", must escape and get revenge.

 

(...)

 

Unlike Fallout 3 and Fallout New Vegas, you can only play as a man. This is due to the storyline requiring it. However, after the main story is over, you can have a gender change. BGS did not rule out Females for possible standalone DLC, however.

 

 

That girl is really dumb, will not work in the vg industry ever again and probably other places.

[Captain Cobra]

There's always a street corner that needs fillin'.

[Redflyingmonkey]

Wow I thought that comment last year on reddit was BS, but now that I look at it, she's got some stuff right... 

5 DLCs then eh ? 

And a spin off ? 

It's starting to sound a lot like Rage. Male protag, post-apocalyptia, mutants, raiders...if they add cars and bikes it will probably make a pretty good game.

And @ElectricSheep, that link sounds like a load of untrustworthy shit.

 

Dude that was written 11 months ago, and right now in June they're revealing the trailer, as she said. 

Plus the trailer showed some robots running amok in a town... 

Still not sure but it's starting to make a lot of coincidences, will see in the future if she's right, which would mean all the rest could be too.  

[espguy]

I did in fact cry REAL tears of actual joy when the trailer played.

It was like my best friend was gone for nearly 10 years, and suddenly showed up at my front door with a big smile and a hug. I couldn't stop crying. The doubts, the pain, the frustration... it's all gone. If this game IS just literally a slightly prettier Skyrim with VATS... I will still shoot rainbows out of my ass in anticipation. After all... I have logged in nearly 800 hours on Skyrim... I forsee a potential obsession upon the horizon lads... and she's a big'un!

I understand you bro, whe I saw the power armor on the garage tears started to appear and soon I was crying of happynes.yestedday wasa marvelous day even if I was fucked up by allergies.

[Sacremas]

Sandra Reed happened to be the name of Adam Jensen's missing girfriend in Deus Ex Human Revolution.

 

Seems legit.

[windu190]

I don't get what they mean with you can only play as a male, but after you complete the game you can play as a female too. 

How does that work? Your character obtains a magical gender swap ability or is a character creator unlocked on your second playthrough? 

 

In any case, lets hope a mod fixes that shit. 

[windpl]

I don't get what they mean with you can only play as a male, but after you complete the game you can play as a female too. 

How does that work? Your character obtains a magical gender swap ability or is a character creator unlocked on your second playthrough? 

 

In any case, lets hope a mod fixes that shit. 

 

Let's hope not, shit game, should stay shitty.

[windu190]

 

 

Let's hope not, shit game, should stay shitty.

 

 

Wow, really?

[Chaos63]

Wow I thought that comment last year on reddit was BS, but now that I look at it, she's got some stuff right... 

5 DLCs then eh ? 

And a spin off ? 

It's starting to sound a lot like Rage. Male protag, post-apocalyptia, mutants, raiders...if they add cars and bikes it will probably make a pretty good game.

And @ElectricSheep, that link sounds like a load of untrustworthy shit.

 

Dude that was written 11 months ago, and right now in June they're revealing the trailer, as she said. 

Plus the trailer showed some robots running amok in a town... 

Still not sure but it's starting to make a lot of coincidences, will see in the future if she's right, which would mean all the rest could be too.  

 

50$ says it's bullshit. You'll see.

[nonusnomeni]

i hope it will not be rage clone

cuz rage just don't have soul

empty shell

number of saled copies say everything

[windpl]

 

 

 

Let's hope not, shit game, should stay shitty.

 

 

Wow, really?

 

 

To many people see mods for granded. When devs fuck up, people say mods will fix that and but this shit anyway.

[windu190]

 

 

 

 

Let's hope not, shit game, should stay shitty.

 

 

Wow, really?

 

 

To many people see mods for granded. When devs fuck up, people say mods will fix that and but this shit anyway.

 

 

But mods really do fix/improve a lot. And it's too early to say this game is shit. All we have is one trailer and a bunch of leaks which have not all been confirmed yet. 

[windpl]

 

 

 

 

 

Let's hope not, shit game, should stay shitty.

 

 

Wow, really?

 

 

To many people see mods for granded. When devs fuck up, people say mods will fix that and but this shit anyway.

 

 

But mods really do fix/improve a lot. And it's too early to say this game is shit. All we have is one trailer and a bunch of leaks which have not all been confirmed yet. 

 

 

Ineed, they do. And it is to early, I'm just saying if that "leaks" are true game will be shitty ;p

If it will have same shitty engine you can wait a long time for new animations - fore wont be doing his awsom work on f4 anymore - you can't expect from skse team to make another exdenders to f4 because devs were so fucking lazy. And so on so on...

 

[Redflyingmonkey]

 

Wow I thought that comment last year on reddit was BS, but now that I look at it, she's got some stuff right... 

5 DLCs then eh ? 

And a spin off ? 

It's starting to sound a lot like Rage. Male protag, post-apocalyptia, mutants, raiders...if they add cars and bikes it will probably make a pretty good game.

And @ElectricSheep, that link sounds like a load of untrustworthy shit.

 

Dude that was written 11 months ago, and right now in June they're revealing the trailer, as she said. 

Plus the trailer showed some robots running amok in a town... 

Still not sure but it's starting to make a lot of coincidences, will see in the future if she's right, which would mean all the rest could be too.  

 

50$ says it's bullshit. You'll see.

 

 

Let's hope you're wrong, as yet what she says seems pretty interesting, except for the male locked thing. 

[windu190]

 

 

Wow I thought that comment last year on reddit was BS, but now that I look at it, she's got some stuff right... 

5 DLCs then eh ? 

And a spin off ? 

It's starting to sound a lot like Rage. Male protag, post-apocalyptia, mutants, raiders...if they add cars and bikes it will probably make a pretty good game.

And @ElectricSheep, that link sounds like a load of untrustworthy shit.

 

Dude that was written 11 months ago, and right now in June they're revealing the trailer, as she said. 

Plus the trailer showed some robots running amok in a town... 

Still not sure but it's starting to make a lot of coincidences, will see in the future if she's right, which would mean all the rest could be too.  

 

50$ says it's bullshit. You'll see.

 

 

Let's hope you're wrong, as yet what she says seems pretty interesting, except for the male locked thing. 

 

 

Indeed, right now that's the only thing that really puts me off. 

[Sacremas]

If they did it like in Dragon Age Inquisiton to have both male and female voiced protagonist, with even options for picking your voice, I'd be all for it. Even without picking your voice, like MaleShep and FemShep.

[windu190]

If they did it like in Dragon Age Inquisiton to have both male and female voiced protagonist, with even options for picking your voice, I'd be all for it. Even without picking your voice, like MaleShep and FemShep.

 

It may still be something like that, who knows. The leak also states you can play a female character after you completed the story. Even though that sounds really weird and nonsensical. But if that part isn't true, then the male only part may not be either. 

[Sacremas]

I'm thinking most likely at that stage in development Adam Jensen's lost girlfriend was supposedly interning for Bethesda or whatever she was before she started turning tricks and experimenting with human augmentation, male was the only one that was finished at that point in developement even partially, so that's all she's aware of. If she's legit at all.