Huge Size Difference Between Sheath/Drawn Bow

[Apahguinsimo]

Hi, I'm having a problem with my Bow. The size changes dramatically between when it is sheathed and when I am holding it in my hand. It probably doubles in size, if not more, when it is on my back.

 

I'm using Enhanced Character Edit, and I read in this thread that the mod can complicate things a bit. This is news to me, I've used ECE for many years now and every time I've had the size mismatch, I've been able to resolve it. I remember being able to adjust the size of the bow separately when it was sheathed / unsheathed, via sliders. But I cannot find a slider to adjust the size individually now, even with the additional ECE sliders. Just a single Bow slider, and it does not seem to affect the bow while drawn at all. There is a Weapon On Back slider, but it only affects two handers. Is there a way to get a slider like this for bows?

 

I'm looking for a solution that doesn't involve using RaceMenu, since I would never be able to recreate the character I plan to use with RM. I tried Female Weapon Scale Fix and it made no noticable difference at all, even at the end of my load order. Any ideas on how I can stop my bow turning into a toy every time I ready it? I would be grateful for any solutions.

[MikoDawn]

32 minutes ago, Apahguinsimo said:

Hi, I'm having a problem with my Bow. The size changes dramatically between when it is sheathed and when I am holding it in my hand. It probably doubles in size, if not more, when it is on my back.

 

I'm using Enhanced Character Edit, and I read in this thread that the mod can complicate things a bit. This is news to me, I've used ECE for many years now and every time I've had the size mismatch, I've been able to resolve it. I remember being able to adjust the size of the bow separately when it was sheathed / unsheathed, via sliders. But I cannot find a slider to adjust the size individually now, even with the additional ECE sliders. Just a single Bow slider, and it does not seem to affect the bow while drawn at all. There is a Weapon On Back slider, but it only affects two handers. Is there a way to get a slider like this for bows?

 

I'm looking for a solution that doesn't involve using RaceMenu, since I would never be able to recreate the character I plan to use with RM. I tried Female Weapon Scale Fix and it made no noticable difference at all, even at the end of my load order. Any ideas on how I can stop my bow turning into a toy every time I ready it? I would be grateful for any solutions.

What mods are you using?  it sounds like the most likely causes for not having the slider would be A) it's a custom weapon and the modder didn't make it compatable with the sliders for some reason or you have a mod that is interfearing and load order is your culprit.

 

All else you could check archery overhaul.  It is supposed to fix some of the issues with female archery and bow sizes on top of all the new goodness it has in it.

[Kendo 2]

Use NMM or something similar and reinstall the skeleton you're using.  Be sure to tick the right boxes for whatever mods you're using.

[bjornk]

You may try to comment out hand scaling in ECE slider configuration files. IIRC scaling down the hand also scales down the weapon & shield you hold in your hand.

[Apahguinsimo]

I installed my game according to STEP 2.2.9.1. I installed STEP Extended first, everything there, but my computer couldn't handle all the scripts. I cut it down to STEP Core, and have a Mod Organizer profile for each. With only STEP Core (which includes XP32), ECE, and the additional sliders, I still don't see the slider I remember.

 

Oddly enough, when I use the ECE Additional Sliders download as is, none of the sliders even appear because the skeleton in the mod folder is not correct. I have to replace it with the XPMS or XMPSE skeleton for them to work, and 2 of them still don't work. I could post a load order in a bit.

 

I'm not sure why, but the weapon does not shrink at all on male characters, even on a default load with no mods. Is the shrinking of drawn weapons for female only an actual feature of the game? 

 

I didn't think of the hand slider, that's a great point. I need to check on that because I did decrease the hand size.

[bjornk]

There are different slider configs for different races, maybe the hand slider for default races is already commented out thus doesn't affect male characters?

 

I recommend comparing slider configs with some program like WinMerge to be able to see the differences easily.

[anubis]

Actually i think this was vanilla problem since i'm having the same issue, the way i see equipped bow become smaller in female hand. The worst part is bow string not correctly line up with right hand. My workaround is adding header ninode for shield node (that handle equipped weapons on left hand) and increase the scale in female skeleton.nif. Unfortunately shield and weapons also got bigger unless doing the same thing with weapon ninode in right hand.

[Apahguinsimo]

Yes it does seem to be a vanilla feature. I switched to my default profile in mod organizer with no mods, and indeed the female bow shrinks when drawn but the male bow does not. 

 

I managed to find the two sliders for increasing the size of the left and right hand weapons when drawn, and they work with bows. But getting them to work correctly has been an exercise in futility. They only work with the skeleton provided by the Extended Sliders mod, and for some reason that skeleton breaks three of the most important character sliders, which are the lower/mid/upper torso height sliders.

 

I'm struggling to find a way to get all these sliders to work together, I'm not sure why the mod would include sliders that don't work with its skeleton. If I switch to a skeleton that makes the three torso sliders work, then the two sliders for drawn weapon scale start to act very erratically, often doing nothing at all unless I'm in showracemenu and then the effect disappears once I leave it.

[Apahguinsimo]

I've been tinkering around for a couple hours with skeletons to no avail. So I pulled my old harddrive out of my old computer and hooked it up to my current computer. I dug into my old Skyrim install there and grabbed the ECE Extra Sliders folder I had there and dropped it into my current one - viola, I have the weapon sliders and body sliders working together now.

 

I have no idea what combination of skeletons I was using two years ago but they are working now, so it's mostly good enough for me. Still, I thought I remember a slider for adjusting the scale of the bow while it is sheathed on back. Is there supposed to be a slider for this?

 

Now I'm wondering if it's possible to shrink the arrow while nocked. The arrow is gigantic, is there a way to make it smaller without shrinking the bow? The journey continues.