Shock spell graphics crashing Oblivion

[ghostmist17]

Hello!

Well I have come to my wits end, I simply cannot figure out what is causing my problem or how to fix it!!!

So I turn to you, the resident experts in all things oblivion for some help.

Here's what's happening; I really have two problems,

First, and I believe this is directly related to Deadly reflexes and bbb on horses, but what do I know?

If I ride a horse in first person, everything works fine. If I switch my view while in first person to third person, this is what I see;

Furthermore, if I switch back into first person the whole camera goes whacky as if I have removed collision and am viewing in third person with no character. This will eventually crash my game if I switch back and forth more than a few times ... total ctd.

If I mount the horse in third person, the view is fine, unless I switch to first person while riding the horse.

Okay next problem, and this is the really crappy one! I have finally started the main quest with my current character. I use alternative start http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=11495 by Robert_evrae and the Better Cities patch http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37808 by Maskar. I don't know if this is relavant, but I did have to use the console to perpetuate the quest because I could never find the damn Amulet!

Anyway, when I first approached Kvatch, up the hill from the refugee camp, in firt person camera view, my computer went black except for the HUD (classic nVidia black screen), unless I switched to third person and it came back. Oddly the camera would only be black screen if I was facing the direction of the oblivion gate.

In third person I entered the gate and experienced the same problem until I moved away from the gate and finally I was able to resume first person camera playing. After I closed the gate and returned to Kvatch the camera was fine (because the gate was gone? I don't know).

Then, when I entered Kvatch itself and went through the temple to make the first assault on the castle gate and had that battle ... well after about 4 or 5 casts of shock spell by the spidera daedra my game ctd's again. ctd always on the 4 or 5th cast of shock spell by spidera daedra.

This was also happening while I was in Oblivion, when the Spider daedra cast shock spell one too many times the game crashes. The only work around I have come up with is to use the console to kill the spider daedra as soon as I see them so they don't have a chance to cast shock.

Has anyone else experienced these problems? Any fixes you may know of?

Open to suggestions!

Here is my mod list;

Active Mod Files:

01 underdark.esm
02 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm
03 Jog_X_Mod.esm
04 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.72]
05 Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
06 Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
07 Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.1.6]
08 BathingMod_Base.esm
09 Lovers with PK.esm
0A BreakUndies.esm
0B TamagoClub.esm
0C HiyokoClub.esm
0D LoversCreature.esm
0E TantrivayliaChimer.esm
0F Toaster Says Share v3.esm
10 x117race.esm
11 HorseCombatMaster.esm
12 TRoN.esp
13 TRoN Vwalk.esp
14 nVidia Black Screen Fix.esp [Version 1.0.0]
15 BlackScreenToggleFix.esp
16 Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.2.0]
17 DLCShiveringIsles.esp
18 Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.0]
19 Oblivion Vwalk UOS.esp
1A DLCShiveringIsles Vwalk DG_DS UOS.esp
1B Better Cities .esp [Version 4.7.0]
1C Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
1D Idle Dialogue.esp [Version 1.3]
1E PCSoundInnocent.esp [Version 2.6]
1F ElzMoreVoice.esp
20 300_Lore_Dialogue_Updated.esp
21 DID3_DoubleTrouble.esp
22 Gorangas traveling merchant.esp
23 P1DseeYouSleep.esp
24 Unsafe Streets.esp [Version 1.0]
25 Tamriel VWD v0.5.esp
26 Living Economy.esp
27 Living Economy - Items.esp
28 Cutthroat Merchants.esp
29 Crowded Roads Revisited.esp [Version 1.1]
2A FF_Real_Thirst.esp
2B DropLitTorchOBSE.esp [Version 2.4]
2C kuerteeAutoSaveAndTime.esp
2D EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer.esp
2E MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp
2F BSK Break Undies.esp
30 Dancing Shadow Rose Break Undies.esp
31 MHSNKirin.esp
32 Thieves Arsenal.esp
33 Dollparts' Wild Flower Corsets of Cyrodiil.esp
34 R18PN - Dancer's Dress.esp
35 Slof's Horses Base.esp
36 Slof's Extra Horses.esp
37 Slof's Black Unicorn.esp
38 Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.72]
39 Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
3A FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
3B Cobl Tweaks.esp [Version 1.44]
3C Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3D Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
3E Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
3F AdrenalineOblivion-SupportElements.esp
40 AdrenalineOblivion-SpawnElement.esp
41 Smarter Bandits.esp
42 EM_CompInnsleeping.esp [Version 0.9]
43 Trade and Commerce.esp [Version 1.01]
44 Big Business.esp
45 EM_Packdonkeys.esp [Version 2.1]
46 Abriael_Human.esp
47 Fighters Guild Quests.esp
48 GoldenCrest.esp
49 Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
4A Northern Front.esp
4B Region Revive - Lake Rumare.esp
4C Region Revive - Lake Rumare Vwalk.esp
4D Skyrim Alive.esp
4E Tantrivaylia.esp
4F Tantrivaylia Vwalk.esp
50 Tavern-Goers 2.esp
51 thievery.esp
52 Tona's_ModsStore.esp
53 Valenwood Improved.esp [Version 1.02.0]
54 Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp
55 Knights.esp
56 Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.2]
57 Knights Vwalk UOP.esp
58 EVE_KnightsoftheNine.esp
59 AFK_Weye.esp [Version 2.32.COBL]
5A AFK_Weye Vwalk.esp
5B Rumare-AFK_Weye Patch.esp [Version 2.2]
5C Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
5D ElsweyrAnequina.esp
5E ElsweyrAnequina Vwalk.esp
5F Elsweyr plantations & co..esp
60 Tales from Elsweyr Anequina.esp
61 ShezriesTownsMaster.esp
62 ShezriesTownsMaster Vwalk.esp
63 ShezriesTowns-Valenwood Patch.esp
64 xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
65 xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
66 xulTheHeath.esp
67 XulEntiusGorge.esp
68 KvatchAftermath-EntiusGorge compatibility patch.esp
69 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
6A Valenwood Improved - Fallenleaf Everglade EV - Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
6B xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.1]
6C xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.2]
6D xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.4]
6E HentaiMania2.esp
6F xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.3]
70 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.1]
71 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.3]
72 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
73 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
74 Ravenview-Cloudtop-Patch.esp [Version 2.0]
75 xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.3]
76 xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
77 AFK_Weye Arrius_Creek Patch.esp
78 xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]
79 xulPantherRiver.esp
7A xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
7B Valenwood Improved - River Ethe EV - Patch.esp [Version 1.0]
7C xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1]
7D xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.7]
7E RegionReviveLakeRumare-ImperialIsle patch.esp [Version 1.3.4]
7F xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.0]
80 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
81 KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
82 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.2]
83 Lakewood+AspenWood Patch.esp [Version 3.0]
84 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.2]
85 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.4]
86 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.12]
87 xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.2]
88 xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.0]
89 xulTheEasternPeaks.esp [Version 1.0]
8A xulTheEasternPeaks Vwalk.esp
8B GoldenCrest-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp [Version 1.0]
8C Treasure Maps-UL edition.esp
8D 2nd to 1st person.esp
8E Golden Perch Inn.esp
8F PersuasionOverhaul.esp [Version 1.43]
90 DBWGP.esp [Version 1.17]
91 TamagoBreak.esp
92 TamagoNews.esp
93 TamagoShop.esp
94 TamagoTopic.esp
95 TamagoConfide.esp
96 LoversTamagoClub.esp
97 LoversEncounter.esp
98 HiyokoGenerator.esp
99 TamagoSetBody.esp
9A LoversAdultPlayPlusforSSP.esp
9B LoversVoiceSSPplus.esp
9C LoversTachiCat2.esp
9D LoversRaperS.esp
9E LoversJoburg.esp
9F LoversBed.esp
A0 LoversPayBandit.esp
A1 LoversContraception.esp
A2 MaternityClothes.esp
A3 LoversGGBlackMail.esp
A4 LoversBackup2.esp
A5 LoversLight.esp
A6 LoversFSE.esp
A7 LoversTrueCrimeEx.esp
A8 LoversStopKillRaper.esp
A9 LoversEscapeRapeVPlayer.esp
AA LoversStopCombatEx.esp
AB Lovers with PK.esp [Version 90]
AC LoversCreature.esp
AD LoversSpermSplashEx.esp
AE LoversCreature_SexualOrgans.esp
AF LoversSoundVolumeDown.esp
B0 Synthetic Studios Ninja Mod.esp
B1 Stripper.esp
B2 Goranga dating system.esp
B3 SetsunaDummyTraining.esp
B4 Werewolf-Legends.esp
B5 Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
B6 Alternative Start for Better Cities Fix.esp
B7 BathingMod_Soap.esp
B8 BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp
B9 BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp
BA RealisticFatigue.esp
BB RealisticHealth.esp
BC RealSleepExtended.esp [Version 2.5]
BD SetBody.esp
BE StealthOverhaul.esp
BF Enhanced Thievery.esp
C0 RenGuardOverhaul.esp
C1 Duke Patricks - Combat Archery.esp [Version 7.3.5]
C2 Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp
C3 Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp [Version 4]
C4 CTAddPose_v_1.esp
C5 actors_in_charge.esp
C6 zzEstrus.esp
C7 _Ren_BeautyPack_onlyhairs.esp
C8 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp
C9 Beautiful People 2ch-Ed MS Elves - NoSc.esp
CA SD2011.esp
CB eyja.esp
CC eyja Vwalk.esp
CD Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
CE CSR Fixed.esp
CF CSR Balanced.esp
D0 not_recruit_companions.esp
D1 CompanionFergus.esp [Version 2.0]
D2 1em_Vilja.esp [Version 4.04]
D3 1em_Vilja_as_Custom_by_Gonzoguns.esp
D4 Cobl Races.esp [Version 1.52]
D5 LoversMB2.esp
D6 Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.1.7]
D7 Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp [Version 4.7.0]
D8 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.1.7]
D9 Better Cities Resources Vwalk.esp
DA Better Cities Full Vwalk.esp
DB Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 5.1.2]
DC Better Cities B&M - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 5.1.2]
DD Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 5.1.0]
DE Better Cities CHORROL - Werewolf.esp
DF Better Cities BRUMA - Werewolf.esp
E0 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 5.0.0]
E1 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 5.1.0]
E2 Better Cities - Thievery.esp [Version 4.8.0]
E3 Better Cities - Werewolf-Legends.esp [Version 4.8.4]
E4 Better Imperial City Vwalk.esp
E5 Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 2.1]
E6 Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 4.8.1]
E7 Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp [Version 4.9.0]
E8 MassA.I-40.esp
E9 DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp
EA Real Hunger, Cobl.esp [Version 1.6.1]
EB Viconia.esp
EC Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
ED Nudeshy X.esp
EE nudeshyceadb.esp [Version 2.8.2]
EF LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp
F0 LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp
F1 Kvatch Rebuilt v2.01-WW-LOTN v2 Patch.esp
F2 1em_Vilja_Bruse_Pony.esp
F3 xeoex.esp
F4 xeoex Vwalk.esp
F5 Inebriation.esp
F6 Specialanims.esp
F7 Streamline 3.1.esp

00  Oblivion.esm

[gregathit]

Ghostmist17,

1. Make sure you are using this skeleton (the controllable version): http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37596

and this patch for it:
/>http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40482

Also I recommend grabbing this: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=21292

and then the patch for DR6 for it:
/>http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40336

That should correct most of the DR6 problems. Please remember that horse combat is buggy as hell and it is best not to do it in game to avoid crashes and general weirdness.

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2. To get the amulet with the alternate start mod all you have to do is go to the sewer that you exit from in the vanilla game and you will find a large rat in the first room that has the amulet inside him.

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3. You need to work on your load order to fix the Kvatch quest line.

The bottom of your load order should be:

DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

xeoex.esp

xeoex Vwalk.esp

Things like: Stream Line, Inebriation and special animations should be up above your lovers mods. Same thing for Vilja Pony. What is the Kvatch rebuilt WW LOTN patch and can you move it further up in your load order to be under the master that it is patching?

Since you are already using Wrye Bash, you should look at making a bashed patch to help remove conflicts from your Load order. Making a bashed patch is rather simple and there is a pictorial guide if you need help: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230

Just remember not to include any lovers plugins in the bashed patch with the exception of lovers creatures sexual organs. That should be disabled and merged into your bashed patch.

[ghostmist17]

Ghostmist17' date='

1. Make sure you are using this skeleton (the controllable version): http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=37596

and this patch for it:
/>http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40482

Also I recommend grabbing this: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=21292

and then the patch for DR6 for it:
/>http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=40336

That should correct most of the DR6 problems. Please remember that horse combat is buggy as hell and it is best not to do it in game to avoid crashes and general weirdness.

----------------------------------

2. To get the amulet with the alternate start mod all you have to do is go to the sewer that you exit from in the vanilla game and you will find a large rat in the first room that has the amulet inside him.

----------------------------------

3. You need to work on your load order to fix the Kvatch quest line.

The bottom of your load order should be:

DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp

LoversIdleAnimsPriority.esp

LoversAnimObjectsPriority.esp

xeoex.esp

xeoex Vwalk.esp

Things like: Stream Line, Inebriation and special animations should be up above your lovers mods. Same thing for Vilja Pony. What is the Kvatch rebuilt WW LOTN patch and can you move it further up in your load order to be under the master that it is patching?

Since you are already using Wrye Bash, you should look at making a bashed patch to help remove conflicts from your Load order. Making a bashed patch is rather simple and there is a pictorial guide if you need help: http://tes.nexusmods.com/downloads/file.php?id=35230

Just remember not to include any lovers plugins in the bashed patch with the exception of lovers creatures sexual organs. That should be disabled and merged into your bashed patch.

[/quote']

Hey that's great! I did not have the NiFSE DR6 patch, and I'm rearranging my load order according to your recommendations. Kvath - LOTN patch is Legends of the North and Kvatch rebuilt patch, it can go below Werewolf-Legends esp.

I'll give it a try and see how it does. Thank you for the help!

I'll let you know if it works.

[ghostmist17]

Well... I sure do appreciate learning about the NifSE patch for DR6 and I believe it has added a lot of stability to my game.

I discovered that if I do not load the specialanims.esp last (which is the esp for Pretty Woman animation replacer)it does not function. So I must load it after everything else. I tried playing without the esp in the hopes I would still be able to ride horses and change my perspective but to no avail.

Furthermore, even after changing my load order I still experienced ctd during combat with spider daedras casting shock spell.

I thought maybe if I could change the shock spell graphics it would help... and it did. I downloaded and installed Duke Patrick's Combat Magic (really cool mod I have discovered by the way).

Duke Patrick's combat magic changes the graphics of the shock spell and this added an immense amount of stability to my game when in combat against the spider daedras. Unfortunately I still experience ctd in massive scale combat.

This could be a result of my massAI and adrenaline esps, I'm not sure. I found that when there were fewer enemies, the chances of ctd were much less.

I appreciate you advice, it has helped improved my game stabilization.

But, I still suffer from frozen stick person disease on my horse, and must console cheat to face spider daedra.

Still open to suggestions!

[gregathit]

Well I may be able to suggest some things to help but I need some info from you:

1. What operating system do you have? Win7, Vista, XP?

2. What bit? 64 or 32?

3. What are your computer specs:

A. Amount of RAM?

B. CPU Hz, type (intel or amd) and how many cores?

C. Graphics card type and memory size?

[ghostmist17]

I'm sure my response has been much anticipated. I sorry for not answering your questions cuz you were just trying to help. Actually I did post a response a long time ago and it took me forever to answer your questions but I did, then I hit the wrong button on my browser and deleted my answer - in frustration i did not retype it.

I have found the problem though! The conflict was Duke Patrick's Combat Archery, once disabling it the spider daedras and any other malevolent has been able to throw one shock spell after another at me.

Thank you for all your assistance!

[gregathit]

No problem! That you are fixed is all that matters!

Have fun